Michael Scherer

Every one of them tried to intervene and stop him from doing stuff.

Every one of them burned out sort of ingloriously because she was there with him during his time in the wilderness after January 6th, because she was able to build the campaign that ended up winning, and because she's figured out her relationship with Trump in a way that I don't think anyone else who's ever worked with him at that level has.

Susie is able to go to him and say, I don't think that's a good idea, is able to put people in front of him who say, I don't think that's a good idea.

I don't think it's a situation where he is not getting pushback.

Now, that doesn't mean he always listens to her.

That doesn't mean he doesn't, you know, go ahead and do the thing he wanted to do anyway.

I mean, you know, one example of this was there was a debate over whether to pardon all the January 6th

felons or just some of them, whether to not pardon the violent ones.

And there were people around Trump who were saying to him, I don't think we should pardon the people who are actually beating on police officers and trying to hurt people.

He overruled them.

But a more recent example is the president said a couple weeks ago, I think we may have to nationalize elections in...

you know, 15 places, which is not what his government has, at least at the top, has been currently planning to do.

And there was, there were people who went to him after that and said, wait, I don't think this is what you should be doing.

And he hasn't exactly backed away from it.

I mean, it's a little ambiguous now.

It doesn't mean he's not going to try and nationalize, you know, a city, but there is pushback.

Now, the question of when there's pushback is an interesting one because Susie does not try and stop him

if he's made up his mind.

And that's different than Reince Priebus or some of the other chiefs of staff.

And she's able to go along.