Michael Scherer

He makes a decision.

She'll go along with it.

She'll try and make it do as little damage as possible for him.

But I don't think it's right to say there's no discussions like that.

Tell me about their relationship.

So, you know, one thing I've observed with Trump for a long time is that he is oddly better at taking instruction from women around him than men.

I think if a man comes to him who's working with him and says, no, you're wrong, sir, this is why, I think he can become...

a little more combative.

We saw this in the first term, you know, with Hope, with Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who could talk to him more frankly sometimes.

Susie has talked about her own relationship with her father.

Some of this came out in that Vanity Fair piece last year, but...

You know, her father was alcoholic.

She had to negotiate around sort of someone she could not control as a child.

And she's not saying that Trump is an alcoholic, but she's saying that their personalities are not totally dissimilar.

And I think she is very good

At offering the president something that he needs, which is structure around him that makes sense, a process around him that makes sense, a superstructure can actually execute on what he wants to do.

And in exchange for that, she has the ability to say to him, this is why I don't think this is a good idea.

This is why I don't think that's a good idea.

Yeah.

And I think they've formed a very tight bond.