Michael Scherer

And I think the other thing that Susie has brought to the White House is it's not everybody, but 60, 70 percent of the senior people in the White House are Susie people.

They work for her.

I mean, they're working for the president, but they are executing on her vision.

And so that tension you had in the first term where you had seven camps or five camps or four camps that were constantly warring, often through leaks to the press with each other,

about how terrible the other one was has mostly gone away.

And that's just an organizational superstructure that she's imposed.

The last thing I'll say about her is that I think she's been very good

at keeping people in line.

There's a way in which if you step out, and this has happened with cabinet-level people, other senior officials, when they mess up, they hear it from Susie.

And so there is a sort of discipline that's been imposed, often very subtly, from her within the government, which I think has served the president well.

Another thing I just mentioned real quick is that unlike the other chiefs of staff, she has not tried to control the information flow to the president.

And that's a big shift from those first four, three or four chiefs of staff in the first term where they tried to control the paper that was going in the room.

They were trying to keep people from knowing exactly who was going into the Oval Office and who was not going to the Oval Office.

Susie does not try to do that.

And that complicates the job for Susie, first and foremost.

And for others in the White House.

But it also, I think, allows the president to feel like, you know, he's not being controlled.

Yeah.

I think there's a lot of nuance here.

The president decides, I'm going to pardon everyone from January 6th.