Michael Shannon

Because I feel like, you know, John Givings and Nelson and Alden are very different people.

But I do know that I got that meeting with Terrence Winter and Mr. Scorsese not long after that nomination.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, sure.

So...

First of all, just for the record, Nelson was not in the FBI.

He was in the Treasury.

But, no, I didn't know.

I went in for the meeting with Terrence Winter and Mr. Scorsese, and...

It was presented to me that he was kind of the avenging angel of the whole thing, that he was a stand-up fella, very devout religious individual.

They didn't indicate the fall from grace so much.

But it was about as broad of a story arc as you can hope for.

I always kind of secretly wished that there would have been more of a Phoenix rising from the ashes kind of quality to the whole thing.

But he kind of never really was able to redeem himself.

But, you know, it sure seemed to tickle people.

And that's something that you can be proud of, I guess.

But I was very sad for him.

Well, when you're on a TV show, it's a whole different ballgame than doing films because you really become a part of people's routine.

And people develop very strong feelings about, you know, the number of times people would come up and say, oh, I just hate you.

I just hate you.