Michael Shellenberger

You know, it's like obviously there you can get culty and whatever. But I mean, it is the best of that human potential.

You know, it's like obviously there you can get culty and whatever. But I mean, it is the best of that human potential.

You know, it's like obviously there you can get culty and whatever. But I mean, it is the best of that human potential.

Right. Your decency. Which is actually radical individual responsibility.

Right. Your decency. Which is actually radical individual responsibility.

Right. Your decency. Which is actually radical individual responsibility.

Yeah. I mean, that was always, for me, it was like, you know, Viktor Frankl, who wrote Man's Search for Meaning, was this incredibly Holocaust survivor. The whole thing was like, you know, being in a death camp shouldn't control how I think about the world. I mean, that's about as radical of an individual mentality as... point of view.

Yeah. I mean, that was always, for me, it was like, you know, Viktor Frankl, who wrote Man's Search for Meaning, was this incredibly Holocaust survivor. The whole thing was like, you know, being in a death camp shouldn't control how I think about the world. I mean, that's about as radical of an individual mentality as... point of view.

Yeah. I mean, that was always, for me, it was like, you know, Viktor Frankl, who wrote Man's Search for Meaning, was this incredibly Holocaust survivor. The whole thing was like, you know, being in a death camp shouldn't control how I think about the world. I mean, that's about as radical of an individual mentality as... point of view.

And now, of course, that's viewed as very right-wing and very unsympathetic and whatever. But Viktor Frankl was just loved by the existentialist California left in the 60s. I mean, he would sell out these huge auditorium in Berkeley and they would, you know, they'd go to Esalen. And so, I mean, you go from that to basically nobody taking responsibility. I mean, it's incredible.

And now, of course, that's viewed as very right-wing and very unsympathetic and whatever. But Viktor Frankl was just loved by the existentialist California left in the 60s. I mean, he would sell out these huge auditorium in Berkeley and they would, you know, they'd go to Esalen. And so, I mean, you go from that to basically nobody taking responsibility. I mean, it's incredible.

And now, of course, that's viewed as very right-wing and very unsympathetic and whatever. But Viktor Frankl was just loved by the existentialist California left in the 60s. I mean, he would sell out these huge auditorium in Berkeley and they would, you know, they'd go to Esalen. And so, I mean, you go from that to basically nobody taking responsibility. I mean, it's incredible.

Is it not? That's so well-spoken. No, no, it's totally brilliantly well-spoken. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it's like we, in our next book, we're working on this idea of these singularities, meaning like these just awful events in the past, the Holocaust, slavery, indigenous genocide. Yes. And they become like gods for secular people. They become like super present.

Is it not? That's so well-spoken. No, no, it's totally brilliantly well-spoken. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it's like we, in our next book, we're working on this idea of these singularities, meaning like these just awful events in the past, the Holocaust, slavery, indigenous genocide. Yes. And they become like gods for secular people. They become like super present.

Is it not? That's so well-spoken. No, no, it's totally brilliantly well-spoken. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it's like we, in our next book, we're working on this idea of these singularities, meaning like these just awful events in the past, the Holocaust, slavery, indigenous genocide. Yes. And they become like gods for secular people. They become like super present.

Like, you know, there's – it's just everything that we do is affected by slavery and, you know, everything. This is indigenous land. I mean, I was going through the – I was just going through all of like the various documents over the years of like water and fire and disaster in Los Angeles. And they like all open with land acknowledgments. You know, you're just like, well, yeah, but –

Like, you know, there's – it's just everything that we do is affected by slavery and, you know, everything. This is indigenous land. I mean, I was going through the – I was just going through all of like the various documents over the years of like water and fire and disaster in Los Angeles. And they like all open with land acknowledgments. You know, you're just like, well, yeah, but –

Like, you know, there's – it's just everything that we do is affected by slavery and, you know, everything. This is indigenous land. I mean, I was going through the – I was just going through all of like the various documents over the years of like water and fire and disaster in Los Angeles. And they like all open with land acknowledgments. You know, you're just like, well, yeah, but –

Literally, you think that white people don't belong here. That is literally what you're saying in those land acknowledgments. You're saying, we don't belong here. And you may have seen, there's a clip that went viral on social media with the deputy fire chief of Los Angeles.

Literally, you think that white people don't belong here. That is literally what you're saying in those land acknowledgments. You're saying, we don't belong here. And you may have seen, there's a clip that went viral on social media with the deputy fire chief of Los Angeles.