Michael Shellenberger

I think it was like an hour, hour and a half with him, just holding my iPhone up to him while he's talking. But he was the one who was like... you know, if I'm being honest, you know, they pay people to be homeless here. And I was like, what do you mean by that?

I think it was like an hour, hour and a half with him, just holding my iPhone up to him while he's talking. But he was the one who was like... you know, if I'm being honest, you know, they pay people to be homeless here. And I was like, what do you mean by that?

You know, and he's like, well, he's like, I get 650 bucks a month, you know, in cash welfare to be homeless here, plus a couple of hundred bucks more in food stamps. It's a great deal. And he was like, I got Netflix on my phone. I watch Amazon, you know, I watch Amazon Prime TV on my phone. You know, I still, Electric City from the light pole right here, That video, I will say, is very satisfying.

You know, and he's like, well, he's like, I get 650 bucks a month, you know, in cash welfare to be homeless here, plus a couple of hundred bucks more in food stamps. It's a great deal. And he was like, I got Netflix on my phone. I watch Amazon, you know, I watch Amazon Prime TV on my phone. You know, I still, Electric City from the light pole right here, That video, I will say, is very satisfying.

You know, and he's like, well, he's like, I get 650 bucks a month, you know, in cash welfare to be homeless here, plus a couple of hundred bucks more in food stamps. It's a great deal. And he was like, I got Netflix on my phone. I watch Amazon, you know, I watch Amazon Prime TV on my phone. You know, I still, Electric City from the light pole right here, That video, I will say, is very satisfying.

I do think that played a pretty big role in the voters of San Francisco voting to get rid of cash welfare for homeless people.

I do think that played a pretty big role in the voters of San Francisco voting to get rid of cash welfare for homeless people.

I do think that played a pretty big role in the voters of San Francisco voting to get rid of cash welfare for homeless people.

I mean, because it's – Because you weren't a reporter. You weren't working for a newspaper or a TV station. No. I mean, look, for me, this is the golden age of journalism. It is so much fun. Because, like, basically, I can go into every story – And you discover that people aren't really doing reporting. I showed up at the guy.

I mean, because it's – Because you weren't a reporter. You weren't working for a newspaper or a TV station. No. I mean, look, for me, this is the golden age of journalism. It is so much fun. Because, like, basically, I can go into every story – And you discover that people aren't really doing reporting. I showed up at the guy.

I mean, because it's – Because you weren't a reporter. You weren't working for a newspaper or a TV station. No. I mean, look, for me, this is the golden age of journalism. It is so much fun. Because, like, basically, I can go into every story – And you discover that people aren't really doing reporting. I showed up at the guy.

I showed up at the house that the guy lived in, the guy that assaulted Nancy Pelosi's husband. Yes. Just to give you a sense of where journalism is at. And I show up and I'm like, I'm just happy to be there. And there's all these journalists there. It was like a bunch of like local TV news and like the local print, whatever. And I was like, I just kind of like, oh, hey, what's the call?

I showed up at the house that the guy lived in, the guy that assaulted Nancy Pelosi's husband. Yes. Just to give you a sense of where journalism is at. And I show up and I'm like, I'm just happy to be there. And there's all these journalists there. It was like a bunch of like local TV news and like the local print, whatever. And I was like, I just kind of like, oh, hey, what's the call?

I showed up at the house that the guy lived in, the guy that assaulted Nancy Pelosi's husband. Yes. Just to give you a sense of where journalism is at. And I show up and I'm like, I'm just happy to be there. And there's all these journalists there. It was like a bunch of like local TV news and like the local print, whatever. And I was like, I just kind of like, oh, hey, what's the call?

He lived out in Berkeley, right? Yeah, he's in Berkeley. Yeah. Black Lives Matter flag in front, you know, you know, abandoned school bus. They were really, it was really terrible environment. But, and I was like, oh, I was like, so I was like, have you guys already, I was kind of like worried. I was like, I got here late.

He lived out in Berkeley, right? Yeah, he's in Berkeley. Yeah. Black Lives Matter flag in front, you know, you know, abandoned school bus. They were really, it was really terrible environment. But, and I was like, oh, I was like, so I was like, have you guys already, I was kind of like worried. I was like, I got here late.

He lived out in Berkeley, right? Yeah, he's in Berkeley. Yeah. Black Lives Matter flag in front, you know, you know, abandoned school bus. They were really, it was really terrible environment. But, and I was like, oh, I was like, so I was like, have you guys already, I was kind of like worried. I was like, I got here late.

And I was like, so you guys already like knocked on all the doors of the neighbors. And they were just like, looked at me and they were like, no, we're like not ready. I can't remember what one of them said. He was like, oh, we don't want to be like rude or something, or that would be like inappropriate. I was like, and at that moment I was like, oh God, this is going to be great.

And I was like, so you guys already like knocked on all the doors of the neighbors. And they were just like, looked at me and they were like, no, we're like not ready. I can't remember what one of them said. He was like, oh, we don't want to be like rude or something, or that would be like inappropriate. I was like, and at that moment I was like, oh God, this is going to be great.

And I was like, so you guys already like knocked on all the doors of the neighbors. And they were just like, looked at me and they were like, no, we're like not ready. I can't remember what one of them said. He was like, oh, we don't want to be like rude or something, or that would be like inappropriate. I was like, and at that moment I was like, oh God, this is going to be great.