Michael Shellenberger

So, I mean, you have to... The secret to all great interviews, as you know more than anybody, is you need to have a long time. Yes. Because people tell the... They lie at first, and then the truth comes out. So, like, you'll interview people, and you'll be like, you're like, where are you from, brother? And they'll be like, oh, I was raised here.

So, I mean, you have to... The secret to all great interviews, as you know more than anybody, is you need to have a long time. Yes. Because people tell the... They lie at first, and then the truth comes out. So, like, you'll interview people, and you'll be like, you're like, where are you from, brother? And they'll be like, oh, I was raised here.

And then you get, like, 30 minutes in the interview, they're like, oh, I'm from Arkansas, you know? I'm from Texas or whatever. So, yeah, I mean... So, yeah, they're from all over. They come, you know, the most famous one I did was with James Church. He had tattoos on his face, and he was just incredible. I just love that interview so much.

And then you get, like, 30 minutes in the interview, they're like, oh, I'm from Arkansas, you know? I'm from Texas or whatever. So, yeah, I mean... So, yeah, they're from all over. They come, you know, the most famous one I did was with James Church. He had tattoos on his face, and he was just incredible. I just love that interview so much.

And then you get, like, 30 minutes in the interview, they're like, oh, I'm from Arkansas, you know? I'm from Texas or whatever. So, yeah, I mean... So, yeah, they're from all over. They come, you know, the most famous one I did was with James Church. He had tattoos on his face, and he was just incredible. I just love that interview so much.

I think it was like an hour, hour and a half with him, just holding my iPhone up to him while he's talking. But he was the one who was like... you know, if I'm being honest, you know, they pay people to be homeless here. And I was like, what do you mean by that?

I think it was like an hour, hour and a half with him, just holding my iPhone up to him while he's talking. But he was the one who was like... you know, if I'm being honest, you know, they pay people to be homeless here. And I was like, what do you mean by that?

I think it was like an hour, hour and a half with him, just holding my iPhone up to him while he's talking. But he was the one who was like... you know, if I'm being honest, you know, they pay people to be homeless here. And I was like, what do you mean by that?

You know, and he's like, well, he's like, I get 650 bucks a month, you know, in cash welfare to be homeless here, plus a couple of hundred bucks more in food stamps. It's a great deal. And he was like, I got Netflix on my phone. I watch Amazon, you know, I watch Amazon Prime TV on my phone. You know, I still, Electric City from the light pole right here, That video, I will say, is very satisfying.

You know, and he's like, well, he's like, I get 650 bucks a month, you know, in cash welfare to be homeless here, plus a couple of hundred bucks more in food stamps. It's a great deal. And he was like, I got Netflix on my phone. I watch Amazon, you know, I watch Amazon Prime TV on my phone. You know, I still, Electric City from the light pole right here, That video, I will say, is very satisfying.

You know, and he's like, well, he's like, I get 650 bucks a month, you know, in cash welfare to be homeless here, plus a couple of hundred bucks more in food stamps. It's a great deal. And he was like, I got Netflix on my phone. I watch Amazon, you know, I watch Amazon Prime TV on my phone. You know, I still, Electric City from the light pole right here, That video, I will say, is very satisfying.

I do think that played a pretty big role in the voters of San Francisco voting to get rid of cash welfare for homeless people.

I do think that played a pretty big role in the voters of San Francisco voting to get rid of cash welfare for homeless people.

I do think that played a pretty big role in the voters of San Francisco voting to get rid of cash welfare for homeless people.

I mean, because it's – Because you weren't a reporter. You weren't working for a newspaper or a TV station. No. I mean, look, for me, this is the golden age of journalism. It is so much fun. Because, like, basically, I can go into every story – And you discover that people aren't really doing reporting. I showed up at the guy.

I mean, because it's – Because you weren't a reporter. You weren't working for a newspaper or a TV station. No. I mean, look, for me, this is the golden age of journalism. It is so much fun. Because, like, basically, I can go into every story – And you discover that people aren't really doing reporting. I showed up at the guy.

I mean, because it's – Because you weren't a reporter. You weren't working for a newspaper or a TV station. No. I mean, look, for me, this is the golden age of journalism. It is so much fun. Because, like, basically, I can go into every story – And you discover that people aren't really doing reporting. I showed up at the guy.

I showed up at the house that the guy lived in, the guy that assaulted Nancy Pelosi's husband. Yes. Just to give you a sense of where journalism is at. And I show up and I'm like, I'm just happy to be there. And there's all these journalists there. It was like a bunch of like local TV news and like the local print, whatever. And I was like, I just kind of like, oh, hey, what's the call?

I showed up at the house that the guy lived in, the guy that assaulted Nancy Pelosi's husband. Yes. Just to give you a sense of where journalism is at. And I show up and I'm like, I'm just happy to be there. And there's all these journalists there. It was like a bunch of like local TV news and like the local print, whatever. And I was like, I just kind of like, oh, hey, what's the call?

I showed up at the house that the guy lived in, the guy that assaulted Nancy Pelosi's husband. Yes. Just to give you a sense of where journalism is at. And I show up and I'm like, I'm just happy to be there. And there's all these journalists there. It was like a bunch of like local TV news and like the local print, whatever. And I was like, I just kind of like, oh, hey, what's the call?