Michael Shellenberger

So the problem with the DEI is that when you're just orienting an entire organizational culture towards racial and sex quotas rather than towards, okay, you know, what about the Santa Ana wins and the fire risk and whatever? It's just we all know that, like, It's not just time in the day, it's also mind time. It's like, what do you think about when you take a shower?

What do you think about when you're putting on your shoes? Like, where is your head at? Their head has been in the clouds around, you know, DEI, the larger society, ESG, climate, homelessness. I mean... I mean, the list goes on and on. But it was on homelessness. We now know, because the state audit came out, $24 billion on homelessness since Gavin took office in 2019.

What do you think about when you're putting on your shoes? Like, where is your head at? Their head has been in the clouds around, you know, DEI, the larger society, ESG, climate, homelessness. I mean... I mean, the list goes on and on. But it was on homelessness. We now know, because the state audit came out, $24 billion on homelessness since Gavin took office in 2019.

What do you think about when you're putting on your shoes? Like, where is your head at? Their head has been in the clouds around, you know, DEI, the larger society, ESG, climate, homelessness. I mean... I mean, the list goes on and on. But it was on homelessness. We now know, because the state audit came out, $24 billion on homelessness since Gavin took office in 2019.

Tucker, homelessness in California increased by 40% under Gavin. Can you believe that? I mean, 40%. Because everyone goes, it's such a curious mystery as to we spent all this money on homelessness. And yet, it just increased. It's like, well, yeah, because you spent money incentivizing and subsidizing homelessness. You spent all this money to attract people from all over the United States.

Tucker, homelessness in California increased by 40% under Gavin. Can you believe that? I mean, 40%. Because everyone goes, it's such a curious mystery as to we spent all this money on homelessness. And yet, it just increased. It's like, well, yeah, because you spent money incentivizing and subsidizing homelessness. You spent all this money to attract people from all over the United States.

Tucker, homelessness in California increased by 40% under Gavin. Can you believe that? I mean, 40%. Because everyone goes, it's such a curious mystery as to we spent all this money on homelessness. And yet, it just increased. It's like, well, yeah, because you spent money incentivizing and subsidizing homelessness. You spent all this money to attract people from all over the United States.

I mean, I interview people in California that are on the streets, and it's like, nobody's from California. I mean, they come in.

I mean, I interview people in California that are on the streets, and it's like, nobody's from California. I mean, they come in.

I mean, I interview people in California that are on the streets, and it's like, nobody's from California. I mean, they come in.

Oh, they want to be. See, the thing is like homeless people, they're always lonely, you know? And so they're, obviously these are people in a really bad way and they're eager to tell their story. They have a lot to say. They're not, most of them are not dumb. Some of them are not dumb at all. I was shocked by that. Oh, no. And they do lie, like, at the beginning.

Oh, they want to be. See, the thing is like homeless people, they're always lonely, you know? And so they're, obviously these are people in a really bad way and they're eager to tell their story. They have a lot to say. They're not, most of them are not dumb. Some of them are not dumb at all. I was shocked by that. Oh, no. And they do lie, like, at the beginning.

Oh, they want to be. See, the thing is like homeless people, they're always lonely, you know? And so they're, obviously these are people in a really bad way and they're eager to tell their story. They have a lot to say. They're not, most of them are not dumb. Some of them are not dumb at all. I was shocked by that. Oh, no. And they do lie, like, at the beginning.

So, I mean, you have to... The secret to all great interviews, as you know more than anybody, is you need to have a long time. Yes. Because people tell the... They lie at first, and then the truth comes out. So, like, you'll interview people, and you'll be like, you're like, where are you from, brother? And they'll be like, oh, I was raised here.

So, I mean, you have to... The secret to all great interviews, as you know more than anybody, is you need to have a long time. Yes. Because people tell the... They lie at first, and then the truth comes out. So, like, you'll interview people, and you'll be like, you're like, where are you from, brother? And they'll be like, oh, I was raised here.

So, I mean, you have to... The secret to all great interviews, as you know more than anybody, is you need to have a long time. Yes. Because people tell the... They lie at first, and then the truth comes out. So, like, you'll interview people, and you'll be like, you're like, where are you from, brother? And they'll be like, oh, I was raised here.

And then you get, like, 30 minutes in the interview, they're like, oh, I'm from Arkansas, you know? I'm from Texas or whatever. So, yeah, I mean... So, yeah, they're from all over. They come, you know, the most famous one I did was with James Church. He had tattoos on his face, and he was just incredible. I just love that interview so much.

And then you get, like, 30 minutes in the interview, they're like, oh, I'm from Arkansas, you know? I'm from Texas or whatever. So, yeah, I mean... So, yeah, they're from all over. They come, you know, the most famous one I did was with James Church. He had tattoos on his face, and he was just incredible. I just love that interview so much.

And then you get, like, 30 minutes in the interview, they're like, oh, I'm from Arkansas, you know? I'm from Texas or whatever. So, yeah, I mean... So, yeah, they're from all over. They come, you know, the most famous one I did was with James Church. He had tattoos on his face, and he was just incredible. I just love that interview so much.

I think it was like an hour, hour and a half with him, just holding my iPhone up to him while he's talking. But he was the one who was like... you know, if I'm being honest, you know, they pay people to be homeless here. And I was like, what do you mean by that?