Michael Shellenberger

But if Trump knew what it is, and if it's NHI and Trump knows that, he seemed very relaxed about that. Because, of course, the main... The conventional wisdom among people that follow this who think it's NHI is that it's bad news, that it's not a great story, that if it were good news and that they were just friendly space brothers offering us...

But if Trump knew what it is, and if it's NHI and Trump knows that, he seemed very relaxed about that. Because, of course, the main... The conventional wisdom among people that follow this who think it's NHI is that it's bad news, that it's not a great story, that if it were good news and that they were just friendly space brothers offering us...

you know, advanced tech, then, and they'd be like, and there's no strings attached or whatever, that would be a much easier story to sell. But if there's some bad news in that story, then that might explain why they're so secret. Well, clearly there's some bad news.

you know, advanced tech, then, and they'd be like, and there's no strings attached or whatever, that would be a much easier story to sell. But if there's some bad news in that story, then that might explain why they're so secret. Well, clearly there's some bad news.

you know, advanced tech, then, and they'd be like, and there's no strings attached or whatever, that would be a much easier story to sell. But if there's some bad news in that story, then that might explain why they're so secret. Well, clearly there's some bad news.

Well, they don't control him, obviously. So that's very nerve-wracking. I mean, how much do you think that they're just worried that he's going to pull out of NATO? How much of it is that?

Well, they don't control him, obviously. So that's very nerve-wracking. I mean, how much do you think that they're just worried that he's going to pull out of NATO? How much of it is that?

Well, they don't control him, obviously. So that's very nerve-wracking. I mean, how much do you think that they're just worried that he's going to pull out of NATO? How much of it is that?

So what do you, so you think he knows what it is? The UAP stuff? Yeah. I do think that, yes.

So what do you, so you think he knows what it is? The UAP stuff? Yeah. I do think that, yes.

So what do you, so you think he knows what it is? The UAP stuff? Yeah. I do think that, yes.

I mean, yeah, no. I mean, it's very, yeah. I mean, I say my prayers. I'm still Christian. I mean, you know, it's interesting. Joe, when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast last time, I mean, here, you know, Joe was like, I think that they're extraterrestrials. You know, he's openly saying that. Yeah, it's not. That's not the case. Well, okay, or NH, I guess NHI. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, no. I mean, it's very, yeah. I mean, I say my prayers. I'm still Christian. I mean, you know, it's interesting. Joe, when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast last time, I mean, here, you know, Joe was like, I think that they're extraterrestrials. You know, he's openly saying that. Yeah, it's not. That's not the case. Well, okay, or NH, I guess NHI. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, no. I mean, it's very, yeah. I mean, I say my prayers. I'm still Christian. I mean, you know, it's interesting. Joe, when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast last time, I mean, here, you know, Joe was like, I think that they're extraterrestrials. You know, he's openly saying that. Yeah, it's not. That's not the case. Well, okay, or NH, I guess NHI. Yeah.

But I mean, here you and Joe are like the two big, most influential podcasters in the country, and you both think that it's not just a government secret tech or that it's not just plasmas. And Joe's very close with Elon, loves Elon. You know, like me, and I think probably like you, believes that Elon deserves a huge amount of credit for saving free speech in this country. Yeah.

But I mean, here you and Joe are like the two big, most influential podcasters in the country, and you both think that it's not just a government secret tech or that it's not just plasmas. And Joe's very close with Elon, loves Elon. You know, like me, and I think probably like you, believes that Elon deserves a huge amount of credit for saving free speech in this country. Yeah.

But I mean, here you and Joe are like the two big, most influential podcasters in the country, and you both think that it's not just a government secret tech or that it's not just plasmas. And Joe's very close with Elon, loves Elon. You know, like me, and I think probably like you, believes that Elon deserves a huge amount of credit for saving free speech in this country. Yeah.

um elon says there's nothing there he never sees anything and they've got an amazing rocket system that sees a lot of things sure i've talked to elon about this a number of times okay and i'm not sure he said that okay i thought he did say that no i thought he said if i see if there's any aliens he jokes about it which is a tell um trump does too uh and they all they joke in the same way i mean i of course i love them both obviously and i feel like

um elon says there's nothing there he never sees anything and they've got an amazing rocket system that sees a lot of things sure i've talked to elon about this a number of times okay and i'm not sure he said that okay i thought he did say that no i thought he said if i see if there's any aliens he jokes about it which is a tell um trump does too uh and they all they joke in the same way i mean i of course i love them both obviously and i feel like

um elon says there's nothing there he never sees anything and they've got an amazing rocket system that sees a lot of things sure i've talked to elon about this a number of times okay and i'm not sure he said that okay i thought he did say that no i thought he said if i see if there's any aliens he jokes about it which is a tell um trump does too uh and they all they joke in the same way i mean i of course i love them both obviously and i feel like