Michael Shellenberger

But I mean, here you and Joe are like the two big, most influential podcasters in the country, and you both think that it's not just a government secret tech or that it's not just plasmas. And Joe's very close with Elon, loves Elon. You know, like me, and I think probably like you, believes that Elon deserves a huge amount of credit for saving free speech in this country. Yeah.

But I mean, here you and Joe are like the two big, most influential podcasters in the country, and you both think that it's not just a government secret tech or that it's not just plasmas. And Joe's very close with Elon, loves Elon. You know, like me, and I think probably like you, believes that Elon deserves a huge amount of credit for saving free speech in this country. Yeah.

But I mean, here you and Joe are like the two big, most influential podcasters in the country, and you both think that it's not just a government secret tech or that it's not just plasmas. And Joe's very close with Elon, loves Elon. You know, like me, and I think probably like you, believes that Elon deserves a huge amount of credit for saving free speech in this country. Yeah.

um elon says there's nothing there he never sees anything and they've got an amazing rocket system that sees a lot of things sure i've talked to elon about this a number of times okay and i'm not sure he said that okay i thought he did say that no i thought he said if i see if there's any aliens he jokes about it which is a tell um trump does too uh and they all they joke in the same way i mean i of course i love them both obviously and i feel like

um elon says there's nothing there he never sees anything and they've got an amazing rocket system that sees a lot of things sure i've talked to elon about this a number of times okay and i'm not sure he said that okay i thought he did say that no i thought he said if i see if there's any aliens he jokes about it which is a tell um trump does too uh and they all they joke in the same way i mean i of course i love them both obviously and i feel like

um elon says there's nothing there he never sees anything and they've got an amazing rocket system that sees a lot of things sure i've talked to elon about this a number of times okay and i'm not sure he said that okay i thought he did say that no i thought he said if i see if there's any aliens he jokes about it which is a tell um trump does too uh and they all they joke in the same way i mean i of course i love them both obviously and i feel like

Well, we do have some photos. I mean, there's that one photo of the one, I can't remember, it's like, it's in the James Fox documentary. So there are some of those, apparently. Coming through space in here. And certainly, I've been told there's a lot more of those photos and images.

Well, we do have some photos. I mean, there's that one photo of the one, I can't remember, it's like, it's in the James Fox documentary. So there are some of those, apparently. Coming through space in here. And certainly, I've been told there's a lot more of those photos and images.

Well, we do have some photos. I mean, there's that one photo of the one, I can't remember, it's like, it's in the James Fox documentary. So there are some of those, apparently. Coming through space in here. And certainly, I've been told there's a lot more of those photos and images.

And why the elusiveness then? Why the secrecy? Well, that's the question.

And why the elusiveness then? Why the secrecy? Well, that's the question.

And why the elusiveness then? Why the secrecy? Well, that's the question.

That's a really interesting one. That's a surprisingly interesting one, actually.

That's a really interesting one. That's a surprisingly interesting one, actually.

That's a really interesting one. That's a surprisingly interesting one, actually.

And I don't think it's to cover up a secret weapons program. I mean, in other words, like, I don't think that's how you would do it. It's so like, yeah, I don't believe it. A secret weapons program. Yeah.

And I don't think it's to cover up a secret weapons program. I mean, in other words, like, I don't think that's how you would do it. It's so like, yeah, I don't believe it. A secret weapons program. Yeah.

And I don't think it's to cover up a secret weapons program. I mean, in other words, like, I don't think that's how you would do it. It's so like, yeah, I don't believe it. A secret weapons program. Yeah.

And you wouldn't need this elaborate... And also, if you're doing passage material, just to go back to those cases, why would it be that? And why would there be so much of it? Why wouldn't it be something... Anyway, it's a very curiously large body of passage material on this particular topic. Well, that's right.

And you wouldn't need this elaborate... And also, if you're doing passage material, just to go back to those cases, why would it be that? And why would there be so much of it? Why wouldn't it be something... Anyway, it's a very curiously large body of passage material on this particular topic. Well, that's right.