Michael Shellenberger

So you kind of go there's like my world of like the Hunter Biden laptop, which still a bunch of my progressive and Democrat friends and family don't believe. You know, they still they still think the Russians were somehow involved. But like I actually have the documents and we can prove what happened there. On the UAP stuff, it's just still just surrounded in mystery.

So you kind of go there's like my world of like the Hunter Biden laptop, which still a bunch of my progressive and Democrat friends and family don't believe. You know, they still they still think the Russians were somehow involved. But like I actually have the documents and we can prove what happened there. On the UAP stuff, it's just still just surrounded in mystery.

He was very relaxed about it, too. I mean, I was struck that when he said it twice, he said it again recently, like last week, right? But then he said it in December. He goes, I don't know why they're not telling people what they are. They know what they are. And I was like, I mean, it was a really... He made it sound like it's no big deal. Like, we should just tell people what it is.

He was very relaxed about it, too. I mean, I was struck that when he said it twice, he said it again recently, like last week, right? But then he said it in December. He goes, I don't know why they're not telling people what they are. They know what they are. And I was like, I mean, it was a really... He made it sound like it's no big deal. Like, we should just tell people what it is.

He was very relaxed about it, too. I mean, I was struck that when he said it twice, he said it again recently, like last week, right? But then he said it in December. He goes, I don't know why they're not telling people what they are. They know what they are. And I was like, I mean, it was a really... He made it sound like it's no big deal. Like, we should just tell people what it is.

But if Trump knew what it is, and if it's NHI and Trump knows that, he seemed very relaxed about that. Because, of course, the main... The conventional wisdom among people that follow this who think it's NHI is that it's bad news, that it's not a great story, that if it were good news and that they were just friendly space brothers offering us...

But if Trump knew what it is, and if it's NHI and Trump knows that, he seemed very relaxed about that. Because, of course, the main... The conventional wisdom among people that follow this who think it's NHI is that it's bad news, that it's not a great story, that if it were good news and that they were just friendly space brothers offering us...

But if Trump knew what it is, and if it's NHI and Trump knows that, he seemed very relaxed about that. Because, of course, the main... The conventional wisdom among people that follow this who think it's NHI is that it's bad news, that it's not a great story, that if it were good news and that they were just friendly space brothers offering us...

you know, advanced tech, then, and they'd be like, and there's no strings attached or whatever, that would be a much easier story to sell. But if there's some bad news in that story, then that might explain why they're so secret. Well, clearly there's some bad news.

you know, advanced tech, then, and they'd be like, and there's no strings attached or whatever, that would be a much easier story to sell. But if there's some bad news in that story, then that might explain why they're so secret. Well, clearly there's some bad news.

you know, advanced tech, then, and they'd be like, and there's no strings attached or whatever, that would be a much easier story to sell. But if there's some bad news in that story, then that might explain why they're so secret. Well, clearly there's some bad news.

Well, they don't control him, obviously. So that's very nerve-wracking. I mean, how much do you think that they're just worried that he's going to pull out of NATO? How much of it is that?

Well, they don't control him, obviously. So that's very nerve-wracking. I mean, how much do you think that they're just worried that he's going to pull out of NATO? How much of it is that?

Well, they don't control him, obviously. So that's very nerve-wracking. I mean, how much do you think that they're just worried that he's going to pull out of NATO? How much of it is that?

So what do you, so you think he knows what it is? The UAP stuff? Yeah. I do think that, yes.

So what do you, so you think he knows what it is? The UAP stuff? Yeah. I do think that, yes.

So what do you, so you think he knows what it is? The UAP stuff? Yeah. I do think that, yes.

I mean, yeah, no. I mean, it's very, yeah. I mean, I say my prayers. I'm still Christian. I mean, you know, it's interesting. Joe, when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast last time, I mean, here, you know, Joe was like, I think that they're extraterrestrials. You know, he's openly saying that. Yeah, it's not. That's not the case. Well, okay, or NH, I guess NHI. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, no. I mean, it's very, yeah. I mean, I say my prayers. I'm still Christian. I mean, you know, it's interesting. Joe, when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast last time, I mean, here, you know, Joe was like, I think that they're extraterrestrials. You know, he's openly saying that. Yeah, it's not. That's not the case. Well, okay, or NH, I guess NHI. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, no. I mean, it's very, yeah. I mean, I say my prayers. I'm still Christian. I mean, you know, it's interesting. Joe, when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast last time, I mean, here, you know, Joe was like, I think that they're extraterrestrials. You know, he's openly saying that. Yeah, it's not. That's not the case. Well, okay, or NH, I guess NHI. Yeah.