Michael Smoak

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What did you learn from that process with your dad?

What was it like going through that?

I had a conversation with Alain de Botton toward the back end of last year, and he has this line.

He says, the best men have been broken.

And I asked him, how can you tell?

What do you mean, and how can you tell?

He says, there's just a look.

There's a twinkle in the eye.

There's a kind of humility.

There's a humbleness.

There's a recognition of their own limits, even if they're really high.