Michael Steinberger

And I think he sees the work that Palantir is doing with the Trump administration as preventive in nature in some sense.

I don't know the answer to that, which is kind of unsettling.

I've been talking to him for six years.

He expresses very strongly held views on a range of issues, but he has not said to me in private, nor has he said publicly what his red lines are, what things the Trump administration might do that would cause him to reconsider Palantir's work.

with the administration.

I understand why he doesn't want to say that because Palantir is a major government contractor and it's not in CARB's interest to tell the world what things, for instance, ICE might do that would cause Palantir to reconsider its work with ICE.

But what this really comes down to in a lot of ways is, do you trust Alex CARB's judgment about the moment we're in?

This is someone who is a scholar of fascism.

He knows what it looks and sounds like.

And he's basically asking us to believe that what we're seeing here is not what many people fear, that this is not incipient authoritarianism, that the Trump presidency is nothing out of the ordinary.

And the question is, do you take his word for it?

And so this really does come down in a certain sense to how much you trust Alex Karp, how much you trust his assessment of Donald Trump and of the policies the Trump administration is pursuing.

Karp has said very candidly that Palantir's technology can be used for good or bad.

If abuse has happened, you trust Alex Karp to pull the plug on the work that Palantir is doing with government agencies.

And do you trust him to correctly assess when that's happening?

And do you trust him ultimately to be willing to sacrifice Palantir's business interest in defense of those values?

Thank you for having me.