Michaela Kolowski

And she's also written for the first time.

Yeah, really great.

I think the two of them together talking about symbolism and

the meaning that we ascribe to things as well.

And for the first time, Marina Warne has written a memoir, which she subtitles an unreliable memoir about her parents' marriage, which was quite unhappy and about growing up in Egypt and coming to England.

And it's about her own family stories.

And I think it's, I'm really excited she's part of the festival.

And I think she's a really beautiful voice about the power of stories.

And I think that's really what the whole festival really celebrates, you know, why we turn to stories

when we're happy and when we're sad.

And she's really one of the best people to hear speak about that.

Yeah, and I have to say, I read both those books and was just blown away by them both and couldn't just have that experience.

Or as soon as I finished, in particular Utopia Avenue, but both of them, as soon as I finished the books, I had that thing where I wish I'd never read them so I could start them again fresh.

And when the chance came up to sort of have them both in the festival, I thought, wow.

what would happen if we just put them together?

And they both said yes.

And I'm so excited that Andrew Ford's doing that conversation.

Who else could do it?

Amazing.

Absolutely.