Michaela Kolowski

Because I also think that, you know, I know Andrew Ford is a wonderful interviewer across a lot of different areas, but this was really, as you both said, this is a conversation with two exceptional writers, but who did manage to do something really unusual, which is to get music down on the page.

And to talk about why, to give us that really beautiful, lively sense of what music does in our lives, how the kind of glue that it is in our relationships and in friendships.

Walking into a bar?

As I was about to say, it sounds like the beginning of a really good joke.

Music Music Music

I have been speaking to a couple of a really good mix of Australians and internationals.

I was lucky enough to speak with Evie Wilde about her latest book, The Bass Rock.

So Evie grew up in Australia, but she's based in London now and runs a little bookshop there.

And The Bass Rock is extraordinary.

It's about these three generations of women who are living and experiencing a lot of violence on the same piece of land in Scotland.

And it's really the first book she's written that wasn't based in Australia, but it's well worth a read.

And I also had a great time speaking with Julia Baird about phosphorescence, which I know is on a lot of people's reading lists.

I don't think a book could have been better accidentally timed for a pandemic.

It's a very beautiful book about finding meaning and searching for meaning and happiness and joy and contentment.

And also with a very interesting American author called Sasha Sagan about her first book, which is called For Small Creatures Such As We.

She turns out to be the daughter of Carl Sagan, the great science communicator and physicist.

And hers is a really interesting book about, I guess, creating ritual.

How do you create ritual if you are somebody who doesn't have religion in your life?

So quite a big range of authors I've been able to respect too.

Well, I have to say, first and foremost, it is kind of one of my favourite periods of music.