Michelle Cottle

He's threatened Greenland, seized Venezuela's leader, bombed Iran, threatened to do it again.

So what's going on here?

Is there a comprehensive strategy that you see through all of this?

Nick, what are your thoughts?

Okay, so now, Nick, we're going to do a hard pivot.

We're going to go to a topic that you have been covering for way too long, the sex trafficking of minors.

And over the past few weeks, of course, it has gotten a lot more attention because of the drumbeat of discoveries and stories about the horrific revelations from the Epstein files.

Just this morning, in fact, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, a member of the British monarchy, was arrested on suspicions of misconduct in public office related to his ties with Epstein.

So given your experience in this kind of dark world, what have you been thinking as the story has gone along?

So I know the analogy is imprecise, but this sort of reminds me of the discussions we have with gun violence, which is that we have these huge, horrific, spectacular mass shootings, and people kind of pile on and try to figure out what we could do to address these random massacres.

When you're talking about gun violence in the U.S., there's so many kind of more mundane, lower-profile things

episodes that are really at the heart of the horrifying numbers.

So, David, do you think it's even appropriate to talk about an Epstein class when it comes to this abuse and cover-up?

Or should we be kind of automatically digging down to look at some of these broader social issues?

So, Nick, you've actually done a lot of work involved with the rise of these sites and kind of their detrimental effect on society.

You mentioned systemic fixes.

You want to walk us through some of what you see as the most promising and the most urgent fixes?

Why is that?

That's a great question, Michelle.

And I just, I don't understand.