Michelle 'Mace' Curran

That's so powerful, that level of accountability and whether that be in business or flying a jet, right? Like just introducing that really high standard. And like you said, it's offering up humility because we all make mistakes. We're going to make mistakes every day, but let's embrace them. Let's roll that tape again and see how we can get better.

And as you know, now that I'm sure you're doing a lot of speeches, I often watch back my speeches, which I'm sure you do now that you're describing this right to like roll back that tape. Where did I go wrong? How what could I have done better? What do people respond to or not? It is not comfortable watching that footage, my friends.

And as you know, now that I'm sure you're doing a lot of speeches, I often watch back my speeches, which I'm sure you do now that you're describing this right to like roll back that tape. Where did I go wrong? How what could I have done better? What do people respond to or not? It is not comfortable watching that footage, my friends.

And as you know, now that I'm sure you're doing a lot of speeches, I often watch back my speeches, which I'm sure you do now that you're describing this right to like roll back that tape. Where did I go wrong? How what could I have done better? What do people respond to or not? It is not comfortable watching that footage, my friends.

I mean, how do you feel when you're watching that kind of footage?

I mean, how do you feel when you're watching that kind of footage?

I mean, how do you feel when you're watching that kind of footage?

No, I mean, so this is a whole new world to me, especially. So I'm definitely hard on myself. And I'm like, oh, like, what are you doing with your hand? Like, why are you making that face? Your voice cracked right there. Like, are you a 13-year-old boy? Like, what's happening?

No, I mean, so this is a whole new world to me, especially. So I'm definitely hard on myself. And I'm like, oh, like, what are you doing with your hand? Like, why are you making that face? Your voice cracked right there. Like, are you a 13-year-old boy? Like, what's happening?

No, I mean, so this is a whole new world to me, especially. So I'm definitely hard on myself. And I'm like, oh, like, what are you doing with your hand? Like, why are you making that face? Your voice cracked right there. Like, are you a 13-year-old boy? Like, what's happening?

So I try to keep perspective that like on the Thunderbirds, the stuff that I recognize and don't think went well, the audience probably didn't even notice, but I want it to be as good as possible. I want to over deliver in everything that I do. And I want even people that are familiar with my background, with my story that got on a call with me before I went and spoke for them that

So I try to keep perspective that like on the Thunderbirds, the stuff that I recognize and don't think went well, the audience probably didn't even notice, but I want it to be as good as possible. I want to over deliver in everything that I do. And I want even people that are familiar with my background, with my story that got on a call with me before I went and spoke for them that

So I try to keep perspective that like on the Thunderbirds, the stuff that I recognize and don't think went well, the audience probably didn't even notice, but I want it to be as good as possible. I want to over deliver in everything that I do. And I want even people that are familiar with my background, with my story that got on a call with me before I went and spoke for them that

were already on board. They were already teammates. And the advocate in the company that got me on that stage, I want them to be like, she was so much better than I expected. I think that's just kind of ingrained in my personality at this point with 13 years of living in that culture all the time. But there's definitely some lessons there that any team can pull. Absolutely.

were already on board. They were already teammates. And the advocate in the company that got me on that stage, I want them to be like, she was so much better than I expected. I think that's just kind of ingrained in my personality at this point with 13 years of living in that culture all the time. But there's definitely some lessons there that any team can pull. Absolutely.

were already on board. They were already teammates. And the advocate in the company that got me on that stage, I want them to be like, she was so much better than I expected. I think that's just kind of ingrained in my personality at this point with 13 years of living in that culture all the time. But there's definitely some lessons there that any team can pull. Absolutely.

What about, is there a fine line between holding yourself accountable to high standards and perfectionism and beating yourself up? How do you navigate that?

What about, is there a fine line between holding yourself accountable to high standards and perfectionism and beating yourself up? How do you navigate that?

What about, is there a fine line between holding yourself accountable to high standards and perfectionism and beating yourself up? How do you navigate that?

Oh, absolutely. I struggled with that early in my career while I was still trying to figure out how to differentiate those things and kind of realizing that everyone has those failures, those setbacks, those struggles.