Michelle Obama

Not my education, not my professional career, but it started with appearance.

And it got worse as we got better.

So I understood it as campaign tactics, right?

I could separate it out and go, well, this, yeah, this is politics, right?

It's like, what better way to beat a moving engine is to try and slow it down.

And so with women, what do we do with women?

We start sort of talking about their strength and their, so then I became, I was angry, not passionate,

I was a misogynist.

I wasn't joking about my husband and humanizing him, right?

I wasn't athletic.

I was scarily muscular, right?

So it was a rolling thing and I attributed it totally to politics and I didn't write it off to what people really thought because I had months and months of understanding that the people in those auditoriums and in those schools

buildings and at those speeches, they understood who I was.

If that makes sense.

They weren't doing that to my husband, right?

They weren't describing him physically.

And he was out there more than I was.

So I was like, okay, well, this is where it comes from.

It's like, wow, whoever is doing this, when it comes to how we...

put women in their place, it's like, OK, there wasn't comment about the substance that I was saying.