Michelle Obama

Because that's specific.

It is.

Okay, so at the time, when I was doing it, I was like, maybe I could get a job doing this because I was decent.

I was like, I had what I would call like a little bit of vision for how to light something in a way that was interesting.

And I did enjoy it.

But mostly...

it was because it felt like something I was drawn to at the time.

As soon as I graduated, I was like, I've wasted a ton of money.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, I wouldn't give away or trade that experience.

I just know, whew, if they would give you the bill up front, you would be like, all right, then maybe not.

Do you know what I mean?

And so that is true.

something that genuinely did happen.

Like I graduated and I moved to Chicago to start doing comedy, but also Chicago was one of those secondary markets where you could join a union or get into that sort of like off Broadway style of design because there is so much happening in the way of

like offbeat production in Chicago.

You know, I just had a decision to make.

Like, am I going to commit to lighting fully and try to like make a name for myself here?

Because both things require the same things.

They both happen at night and there's no guarantee of any future work.