Michelle Segar

Michelle Seeger just ran one of the first studies on all or nothing thinking and exercise, and the results surprised her.

A lot of people, it turned out, didn't actually want to do the exercise they planned in the first place.

So when life got in the way, choosing nothing wasn't a defeat.

It was a quiet escape from something they dreaded.

The fix isn't more willpower.

It's to find movement that feels better to you and to follow a phrase I've used for years.

A little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing.

Michelle also wrote the joy choice about sustainable change.

I'm Eric Zimmer, and this is the one you feed.

Hi, Michelle.

Welcome back.

I believe this is time number three, if I am correct.

And I've loved your research and your books over the years.

I was saying to you before we started, you're actually in my book very directly.

I quote you on something called the self-care hierarchy from a previous conversation.

And your ideas are also sprinkled throughout.

So I'm really excited to have this conversation with you.

We'll get into all that in a moment, but before we do, we'll start like we always do, which is with the parable.

And in the parable, there's a grandparent who's talking with their grandchild and they say, In life, there are two wolves inside of us that are always at battle.

One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love.