Mick

But when did you know that that was a gift that you had?

I like that, man.

I like that.

And I love the honesty in there, too, because most things that we're gifted at still takes time to develop and to harness to to where we can get to a level of greatness.

Right.

And so I appreciate the honesty there.

You know, Matt, you've worked with a ton of leaders and speakers and coaches and you name it.

Right.

CEOs.

What's one habit or trait?

that you could say all great leaders have when it comes to communication?

No, totally agree.

I mean, you know, when I work with leaders and we do work on emotional intelligence, I always tell them the first recipe to emotional intelligence is just listening.

Because if you're in your head or if you're trying to think of how a conversation should go or a decision that you should make, you shut down everything that the person or people in front of you are actually saying or trying to get across, even if they're not saying it verbally.

Right.

So you're right.

Like listening.

And as my mentor, Les Brown, says, listen to the listening, because everything that people say isn't verbal.

Right.

And so you've got to be very cerebral.