Mihai Thoma

Yeah, definitely.

I think...

I think they're both equally important for me.

The app side and the founder aspect of it kind of started from the design studio.

So I started my career as a graphic designer, branding an identity for a cybersecurity firm in London called Tessian.

So I joined that company right after they received a big funding round.

And I love the aspect of scaling a business from the design side, focusing on strategy, focusing on design systems, and then taking it into development.

So I found that I love doing that for other clients.

And then it was a point where I realized that there's all these entrepreneurs coming to me for help.

Early stage, seed, before series A. And I realized that I could be doing the same thing.

I am in the same mind frame.

And that's where my team and I at New Genre started.

And so what year was that?

When did you land your first client?

So for context, the first client was when I was 16.

So I was still in school when I was hustling and I was doing design work for other people.

I remember the first project that I had was a menu in a brewery.

How much did you charge for it?

The first client, I remember I was 16.

I was in my bedroom.