Mike Baker

So I look at this and I'm just looking at it from an operational perspective and from a track record of the Iranian regime over all these years.

But when you say anything about this current memorandum of understanding or the way this thing seems to be developing, people in the White House or elsewhere will say, oh, you're just criticizing the administration.

I'm not criticizing the administration.

I'm just pointing out

the realities of where this goes and then they'll always say well what's your solution but i think i think you're right i'm on the same page as you the solution was to keep the foot on the gas as far as the economic fury or whatever we want to call it and now you know obviously there's a downside

You know, you starve them of cash.

The IRGC is going to push that pain down to the Iranian people.

So, you know, it makes life even more difficult for them for a period of time.

But I do believe that was that was perhaps our our route that we we should have we should have gone down.

All right.

Well, Jonathan, look, this has been, as always, you know, it's hard to use the word delightful when we're talking about something like this.

But but, you know, it's it's always insightful.

And I hope you'll pick up the phone the next time we give you a call.

Jonathan Schatzler of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

Thank you very much, man.

We'll see you the next time.

Pleasure.

All right.

There's a lot there.

And as I mentioned earlier, it changes every couple of minutes.