Mike Baker

I'm really interested in understanding what conditions are like for folks in Tehran and elsewhere in terms of the economy, in terms of what they're dealing with, and also this conflict that's going on.

How is it interpreted?

Are people looking at it and blaming Iran?

The regime, are they looking at it and blaming the West?

I know that's kind of two parts to this question, but I'll let you run with it.

But I would say, and this is going to sound like I'm playing devil's advocate, but...

2017, 2019, this January.

And the regime still stands.

And the hardships have increased.

And more people have been killed by the regime.

And more people have been detained by the regime.

And so you...

you get to a certain point, right?

Where, and I guess I'm, I'm trying to form the question, but rather than just, you know, stand on a soapbox and say, at what point do you, do you throw your hands up in the air and say, what, how possibly can this work?

But again,

Where does this go?

Because you could argue that it's hard to say, you know, the regime could get more repressive.

They're pretty much at the top of the repression charts.

And so what what does it take?

What what is it that pushes this over the line?