Mike Carruthers

So maybe the better term was planned.

You can't plan your life because you just never know when things happen.

Yeah.

We were just going through that exercise of looking back and seeing how we all got here and

And we all got here in ways that are just so bizarre that, you know, but that's how life works.

It does seem, listening to you talk, that part of the problem is where you are now, where you're joining this journey.

Because if you're a lawyer and you hate it, but you're making a lot of money and you're prestigious and all that, it's pretty tough to jump off that treadmill and try something new because it's so risky.

So I get the principle of awe and wonder, radical acceptance, I get that, but then how do you do it?

Give me some examples of like,

And so that question, what is meaningful to you?

When you said, you know, ask someone what's meaningful to them.

If somebody asked me what's meaningful to me, I don't know how to answer that.

Oh, it was on a vacation.

It was just the beauty of where we were, and there was just a moment where it just seemed so magical.

It was just profound, and it's hard to put in words.

So that's a meaningful moment, but how does that translate into a meaningful life?

Because, you know, that moment where you see the sunset, it's great, it feels wonderful, but then tomorrow I go back to the bills and the thing and the problems and the thing.

So how does that work?

Yeah, I like that, because as you just described, we talk about things like happiness and joy and all these experiences, but we only experience those things in those moments.

It's the moments that count.