Mike Carruthers

And so that question, what is meaningful to you?

When you said, you know, ask someone what's meaningful to them.

If somebody asked me what's meaningful to me, I don't know how to answer that.

Oh, it was on a vacation.

It was just the beauty of where we were, and there was just a moment where it just seemed so magical.

It was just profound, and it's hard to put in words.

So that's a meaningful moment, but how does that translate into a meaningful life?

Because, you know, that moment where you see the sunset, it's great, it feels wonderful, but then tomorrow I go back to the bills and the thing and the problems and the thing.

So how does that work?

Yeah, I like that, because as you just described, we talk about things like happiness and joy and all these experiences, but we only experience those things in those moments.

It's the moments that count.

So if you stack them up,

That, I guess, turns into a meaningful life.

I've been talking with Bill Burnett.

He is the executive director of the Stanford Life Design Lab, and he's co-author of a book called How to Live a Meaningful Life, Using Design Thinking to Unlock Purpose, Joy, and Flow Every Day.

And there's a link to his book at Amazon in the show notes.

And Bill, it was a pleasure.

Thanks for explaining this.

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