Mike Corey

Kurt got me a PDF of that.

I don't know yet.

Can I ask you, in that book that you're reading or in your other studies on the topic, why does, with all of the possible alternatives that Satan could choose, why does this entity deem that doing evil for its own sake is the best of all possible choices that is made?

So do they talk about that or did you find anything?

Is there some greater good that you think that they might presume that Satan sees in doing the evil or some outcome that is more beneficial?

Do they explain that?

Because I mean, if Satan is still kind of under, is inferior in some way in their setup to their idea of God, then isn't God the creator of what, or the ultimate creator of humans?

Yes.

I guess that would be a little bit weak of an idea in some sense, because what about all of the people who just suffer, get tortured and die without the ability to thus become better people out of the pain, you know?

I would.

It does seem to be a pretty seminal work.

The translations things like you said are always an issue but I mean the Gnostic creator God story for me is always kind of like I try to approach things as a Platonist as a from a philosophical standpoint of what

what hypothesis creates the fewest internal contradictions to that hypothesis when it tries to map itself onto reality.

And it also simultaneously increases my agency and my ability to problem solve creatively, to be more creative.

So that's my two sort of standards when I'm trying to figure out like,

what plausible hypothesis of good and evil or of whatever I'm trying to explain.

And I find in the Gnostic world that presumes kind of two opposing deities where one is of light and one is really this dark ignorant deity, this Yal-Jabao or whatever that made the cosmos in their ignorant image.

that rules the world in this evil kind of thing that we're kind of like locked into a prison planet and prison flesh that we have to like tap into this sort of light source through gnosis.

But that the creator, creator, the maximum creator actually has no, either has no ability to do anything, to actively live as a creative force within creation, because it's not the creator that didn't do it.

The creator just created by default, this Yao Jiabao through this,