Mike Hohnen

Well, you know, I mean, everything is a question of how we use words and how we frame things at the end. That's the first step. And so when we frame it that way, we've already sort of built a an image around it is. But what we're looking at is polarity between work and leisure. And what constitutes a really nice life is to maximize both. That's a good life if you see what I mean.

Well, you know, I mean, everything is a question of how we use words and how we frame things at the end. That's the first step. And so when we frame it that way, we've already sort of built a an image around it is. But what we're looking at is polarity between work and leisure. And what constitutes a really nice life is to maximize both. That's a good life if you see what I mean.

It's not doing more of one and less of the other. It's maximizing both. If we can maximize both of those two, then we actually thrive. And so we have to find out what that is for us and in what way we do it. But it's not like that work-life balance for me. That's the short version.

It's not doing more of one and less of the other. It's maximizing both. If we can maximize both of those two, then we actually thrive. And so we have to find out what that is for us and in what way we do it. But it's not like that work-life balance for me. That's the short version.

That's a hopeless question in a sense, Matt, because that is exactly what you started out saying. It becomes a very individual choice. It's finding one's own sweet, as you said, your own sweet spot. What is it that actually stimulates me? And I think the three of us would probably... not enjoy not working or having a completely, we wouldn't thrive with that.

That's a hopeless question in a sense, Matt, because that is exactly what you started out saying. It becomes a very individual choice. It's finding one's own sweet, as you said, your own sweet spot. What is it that actually stimulates me? And I think the three of us would probably... not enjoy not working or having a completely, we wouldn't thrive with that.

And so each of us has to find out that. But with all polarities, the polarities are fascinating subject, but all polarities have this thing. They're always driven. There's something we want to achieve. We want to achieve the good life, which is trying to balance this polarity. But there's always a fear of something going wrong that will drive us to overemphasize one polarity over the other.

And so each of us has to find out that. But with all polarities, the polarities are fascinating subject, but all polarities have this thing. They're always driven. There's something we want to achieve. We want to achieve the good life, which is trying to balance this polarity. But there's always a fear of something going wrong that will drive us to overemphasize one polarity over the other.

So before we get down there, but the other classic polarity is leadership versus management. And so we have this fear that we're not in control, that we're not going to be successful, that we're not going to manage the business, that we're not going to all the rest of it.

So before we get down there, but the other classic polarity is leadership versus management. And so we have this fear that we're not in control, that we're not going to be successful, that we're not going to manage the business, that we're not going to all the rest of it.

And so we push our foot down on the pedal called management and we push it hard because we think that as long as I keep pushing that pedal, then I'm sure to be doing right. And the reality is that it comes at the cost of the leadership aspect. And then that deteriorates. And then you get the downside of both polarities. And it's a little bit the same thing.

And so we push our foot down on the pedal called management and we push it hard because we think that as long as I keep pushing that pedal, then I'm sure to be doing right. And the reality is that it comes at the cost of the leadership aspect. And then that deteriorates. And then you get the downside of both polarities. And it's a little bit the same thing.

So in consulting businesses and what we do, we all wake up in the morning and think, oh, when are we going to get the next client? And are we being successful enough? Are we working hard enough? And so we push the bloody pedal, which is called work. And we forget to balance it the other pedal, which is the leisure part.

So in consulting businesses and what we do, we all wake up in the morning and think, oh, when are we going to get the next client? And are we being successful enough? Are we working hard enough? And so we push the bloody pedal, which is called work. And we forget to balance it the other pedal, which is the leisure part.

And in that sense, we do ourselves a disfavor because that means at the end of the day that we're not at our best anymore. So one has to find out. So one has to try and identify and actually be really conscious of the fact that you said the running. So what are the things that I could actually see on a to-do list or put in my calendar or say, when I do these things, I'm on the other polarity.

And in that sense, we do ourselves a disfavor because that means at the end of the day that we're not at our best anymore. So one has to find out. So one has to try and identify and actually be really conscious of the fact that you said the running. So what are the things that I could actually see on a to-do list or put in my calendar or say, when I do these things, I'm on the other polarity.

I'm actually reinforcing that polarity and not working on the other one. And then you need to sort of think a little bit about what are the warning signs? When do I know that I'm actually only focused on my work side? My wife doesn't speak to me anymore.

I'm actually reinforcing that polarity and not working on the other one. And then you need to sort of think a little bit about what are the warning signs? When do I know that I'm actually only focused on my work side? My wife doesn't speak to me anymore.

You said the word mental health. I think this is something we don't like to talk about. It's a little bit taboo. It's incredibly important. Years ago, I was also working like crazy, and I was actually really enjoying myself, but I was on an airplane three times a week going somewhere, and it just went on and on and on in that sense. And one morning, I was preparing to walk into a client workshop,

You said the word mental health. I think this is something we don't like to talk about. It's a little bit taboo. It's incredibly important. Years ago, I was also working like crazy, and I was actually really enjoying myself, but I was on an airplane three times a week going somewhere, and it just went on and on and on in that sense. And one morning, I was preparing to walk into a client workshop,