Mike Hudack

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274 appearances 2 recordings 2 series first heard Sep 2024 last heard Dec 2024

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For sure. For sure. And it's great for the brand and it's great for you. So you need to find a way of connecting the thing that people are doing every day to like a good thing in the world. You know, when we worked on sharing, we talked a lot about helping people maintain loose ties across the world.
So in the past, you would lose touch with often great friends who you went to college with or whatever you worked with in that job or whatever. Facebook sharing, personally disclosive sharing, helps you stay in touch with people that you may not have seen in like, you know, 10 or 15 years.
But the next time you go to New York, you can say hi and you kind of know what's going on in their life and they're still part of you. And that's a really magical thing that you can give people. And, you know, the better that we make sharing, the more that we can help people maintain larger communities than would otherwise be possible without this product that you're working on.
You know, with Monzo, you're not building an extractive bank. You're helping people make sure that they can pay their rent at the end of the month. You're helping people make sure that they don't rack up too much debt. You're helping people manage their finances so that they can save more and buy a house. That's meaning that you can find.
And then if you pair that with starting to get momentum in shipping stuff, where you can actually see the impact in people's lives, you can relate it back to that idea, Morale, you can just flip it so quickly.
I think children are one of those things that just almost always makes you better. Coming home after a long day of work and giving them a hug and having dinner with them kind of washes the day away, resets you a little bit, and then you move on and I think makes you better the next day.
I think the first thing is just a mindset shift, which is that it's not necessarily strictly about making time for one at the expense of the other. I think that the best way of understanding this is that one makes you better at the other. I talk to my eight year old all the time about saying and what we're building and why we're building it and decisions that we make. And I'm like, oh,
You know, I'm on a call with a bank in Thailand today and, you know, they all showed up in suits and thank God I put on a collared shirt. You know, it's important to be mindful of people's culture. You know, I don't know. You just have those kind of conversations. One reinforces the other and makes me better at the other, I think.
I do too. I believe in that too. I think that maybe I don't feel like I work less hard for having the family. I think that the kids are a great joy and Caroline is a great joy. And I think we have a really amazing life and I garden. We grow tomatoes and chilies and corn and potatoes and all of this stuff. A lot of what we eat, we grow at home. I'll work. I'll get up.
I'll hang out with the kids from 6.30 or 7 until 8. I'll go to my desk. I'll work for four hours. I'll eat lunch at my desk. I'll go out and garden for 20 minutes to clear my head. I'll come back. The kids will be back at 3.30. I'll hang out with them for like half an hour and then I'll go back to work and then I'll have dinner. You know, I don't know. It just all feels very integrated.
When was your life most out of whack? Probably my first startup. I don't know. I think you get into these phases where, you know, you become very lopsided. And I've certainly worked on things. I have kind of an obsessive personality. You know, Sling's growing now. We have a channel. We have a Slack channel called Pulse where we see every sign up and we see every transaction.
And then, you know, we have a dashboard that updates regularly with transaction volumes and all this stuff.
man i like look at that slack channel every four minutes you know every three minutes and i have to stop myself from doing that and that's the kind of stuff that i think is dangerous that that's what people mistake for grinding or working hard or sleeping on the factory floor you know when you're just doing the same thing over and over again you're looking at you know you're looking at it and you're obsessing about the numbers or something that's very different from
having a detached view or a semi-attached view to how quickly you're growing, interrogating it, understanding what you need to build and what you need to do differently in order to grow faster. And I think that people often mistake those two types of work for each other, if that makes sense.
And that first kind of like obsessive refreshing of the thing or that obsession with like hours or the theater of it is actually super stressful, you know, and I think that's the stuff that that kind of like leads to burnout.
Whereas I think that you can work 20 hours a day, but like, you know, integrate that well with family and kids and all of that kind of stuff and be thoughtful and make good decisions and move fast and all that kind of stuff. And it's healthier and it's better.
Oh, man. There have been so many. One of them was just around sharing and the mechanics of sharing on Facebook. And, you know, Mark built the thing. And I remember him saying, this is like the last part of this thing that I built myself. I have a deep emotional attachment to it. And I thought I was just like, okay, I can't argue with that. To this day, I don't know.
Invest in people who you believe in. Don't mistake good managers or ICs at a large company for people who are going to do well going from zero to one in a startup. Think about what that means. What is the single worst product you've been a part of making?
i worked on building a multi-tiered filtering encrypted proxy basically like tor the onion router when i was a kid at a startup what advice would you give to pms today who want to get promoted don't worry about getting promoted figure out what the company most needs and go do it ideally if it's something that nobody else wants to do and the promotion will find you when is the right time to hire a cpo
It really depends on the founder, but probably very, very late. I wouldn't do it too soon. I think that the best CEOs are very product minded and should stay involved in product for as long as possible.
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