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Mike Krieger

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633 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

We were building a system in collaboration with a customer. And we talk about tool use, right? Like what the model has access to. And we had made two tools available to the model in this case. And one was a to-do list app that it could write to. And one was like a just like reminder, sort of like short-term or like timery type thing. And the to-do list system was down.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

We were building a system in collaboration with a customer. And we talk about tool use, right? Like what the model has access to. And we had made two tools available to the model in this case. And one was a to-do list app that it could write to. And one was like a just like reminder, sort of like short-term or like timery type thing. And the to-do list system was down.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

We were building a system in collaboration with a customer. And we talk about tool use, right? Like what the model has access to. And we had made two tools available to the model in this case. And one was a to-do list app that it could write to. And one was like a just like reminder, sort of like short-term or like timery type thing. And the to-do list system was down.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And it's like, oh man, I tried to use the to-do, I couldn't do it. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to set a timer for when you meant to be reminded about this task. And so it set an absurd timer. It was like a 48-hour timer. You would never do that on your phone. It would be ridiculous. But it, to me, showed that non-determinism also leads to creativity.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And it's like, oh man, I tried to use the to-do, I couldn't do it. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to set a timer for when you meant to be reminded about this task. And so it set an absurd timer. It was like a 48-hour timer. You would never do that on your phone. It would be ridiculous. But it, to me, showed that non-determinism also leads to creativity.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And it's like, oh man, I tried to use the to-do, I couldn't do it. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to set a timer for when you meant to be reminded about this task. And so it set an absurd timer. It was like a 48-hour timer. You would never do that on your phone. It would be ridiculous. But it, to me, showed that non-determinism also leads to creativity.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And that creativity in the face of uncertainty is ultimately how I think we are going to be able to solve these higher-order, more interesting problems. And that was the moment I was like... It's non-deterministic, but I love it. You know, it's like non-deterministic, but I can put it in these odd situations and it will do its best to recover or like act in the face of uncertainty.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And that creativity in the face of uncertainty is ultimately how I think we are going to be able to solve these higher-order, more interesting problems. And that was the moment I was like... It's non-deterministic, but I love it. You know, it's like non-deterministic, but I can put it in these odd situations and it will do its best to recover or like act in the face of uncertainty.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And that creativity in the face of uncertainty is ultimately how I think we are going to be able to solve these higher-order, more interesting problems. And that was the moment I was like... It's non-deterministic, but I love it. You know, it's like non-deterministic, but I can put it in these odd situations and it will do its best to recover or like act in the face of uncertainty.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Whereas any other sort of like heuristic basis, if I had written that, I probably would never have thought of that particular workaround. But it did. And it did it in a, I think, pretty creative way. So I... I can't say it sits totally easily with me because I still like determinism and I like predictability and systems and we seek predictability where we can find it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Whereas any other sort of like heuristic basis, if I had written that, I probably would never have thought of that particular workaround. But it did. And it did it in a, I think, pretty creative way. So I... I can't say it sits totally easily with me because I still like determinism and I like predictability and systems and we seek predictability where we can find it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Whereas any other sort of like heuristic basis, if I had written that, I probably would never have thought of that particular workaround. But it did. And it did it in a, I think, pretty creative way. So I... I can't say it sits totally easily with me because I still like determinism and I like predictability and systems and we seek predictability where we can find it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

But I think I've also seen the value of like within that constraint with the right tools and the right sort of infrastructure around it, how it could be more robust to like the like needed messiness of the real world.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

But I think I've also seen the value of like within that constraint with the right tools and the right sort of infrastructure around it, how it could be more robust to like the like needed messiness of the real world.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

But I think I've also seen the value of like within that constraint with the right tools and the right sort of infrastructure around it, how it could be more robust to like the like needed messiness of the real world.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Yeah, so on the cloud side, I think the time we talk and it airs, we're launching Cloud for Enterprise. So this is our push into really going deeper. It's a bunch of on-the-surface, unexciting acronyms like SSO and SCIM and data management and audit logs. But the importance of that is that you start getting to push into really deep use cases.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Yeah, so on the cloud side, I think the time we talk and it airs, we're launching Cloud for Enterprise. So this is our push into really going deeper. It's a bunch of on-the-surface, unexciting acronyms like SSO and SCIM and data management and audit logs. But the importance of that is that you start getting to push into really deep use cases.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Yeah, so on the cloud side, I think the time we talk and it airs, we're launching Cloud for Enterprise. So this is our push into really going deeper. It's a bunch of on-the-surface, unexciting acronyms like SSO and SCIM and data management and audit logs. But the importance of that is that you start getting to push into really deep use cases.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And we're building data integrations that make that useful as well. So there's that whole component. And then on the API side, we didn't talk as much about the API side, although I think of that as much as an important product as anything else that we're working on. The big push is, how do we get lots of data into the models?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

And we're building data integrations that make that useful as well. So there's that whole component. And then on the API side, we didn't talk as much about the API side, although I think of that as much as an important product as anything else that we're working on. The big push is, how do we get lots of data into the models?