Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype
09 Sep 2024
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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Nilay Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Mike Krieger, the new chief product officer at Anthropic, one of the hottest AI companies in the entire industry.
Anthropic was started in 2021 by former OpenAI executives and researchers who wanted to build a more safety-minded AI company, which I have to point out is a real theme among people who leave OpenAI. Something to think about. Anthropic's main product right now is Claude, which is the name of both its industry-leading AI model and a chatbot that competes with ChatGPT.
Like other major AI companies, Anthropic has billions in funding from some of the biggest names in tech, primarily Amazon. But at the same time, Anthropic does have a distinct and intense safety culture. The company is notable for employing some people who legitimately worry that AI might destroy mankind. And I wanted to ask Mike how that tension plays out in product design.
On top of that, Mike has a pretty fascinating history. If you're a longtime tech fan, you likely know him as the co-founder of Instagram. a company he started with Kevin Systrom before selling it to Facebook, now Meta, for a billion dollars back in 2012. That was an eye-popping amount of money back then, and the deal turned Mike into founder royalty basically overnight.
Mike left Meta in 2018, and a few years later he started to dabble in AI, but not quite the type of AI we talk about all the time on Decoder. Instead, Mike and Kevin launched Artifact, an AI-powered newsreader that did some very interesting things with recommendation algorithms and aggregation.
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