Mike Maxwell

Yeah, and, you know, hard work, too.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yes, yeah.

I mean, because that talent really doesn't... Like, artists so often are, like, people are like, ah, I wish I could draw.

Like, you're so lucky, like, God-given talent.

I'm like, bitch, I had to fucking... I work every day and have been grinding at this for...

25 26 years there's no god-given talent with art there's some people have an openness or maybe an ability to see things differently than others but when it comes to the actual technique yeah and developing that fine hand-eye coordination and the ability to draw exact or paint exactly what you're looking for yeah that's work that's work yeah and it nothing came easy

Look at the computer.

Look at the computer.

I wonder what year this was.

This came out in 88, so probably like 87.

When did people first start having computers?

When did you have your first computer, Jamie?

You were younger than me.

Mine was later than that, though.

I had Windows, I think, was our first one.

What year?

Like, 95?

No.