Mike Nellis

We can try to run.

Yeah.

So what I'll say is like, I have had conversations like that.

I think a lot of political consultants don't have conversations like that because we are incentivized to get you to run.

Like if you're, and I'll tell the people this, like I run one of the largest digital fundraising and advertising firms in the space.

So I've worked on a lot of races that I didn't really believe that we could win.

And then sometimes somehow we pull it out.

Like it has happened before.

Like to be honest, I did Katie Hobbs's race four years ago.

I'm doing a reelection now.

Like it was a hard race.

Like I think even going into it, if you ask the campaign leadership, a lot of people would have been like, I don't know that we can win this.

It's going to be close.

And sure enough, she beat she beat Kari Lake, which was amazing.

There was a lot of people, I think, that were just like a little bit, you know, worried about it.

And we didn't know if we could do it, but we did it, you know.

And so I will tell you that there was a candidate that was thinking about running for Senate in this last election where like a lot of her consultants that I was working with were telling her to run.

And I pulled her aside and went.

I don't, I don't think you should run.

And ultimately she did it.