Mike Nellis

You kind of have to, on a certain level, delude yourself into believing that it's fate that you are going to win, that you are going to be president of the United States.

Like Kamala Harris, I don't think had ever lost an election before that, really.

because ultimately she didn't make it to the 2020 primary, so you can argue she didn't lose, but maybe she did.

But she had never lost.

She'd gotten a chance to be on the vice presidential ticket.

They had defeated Trump and Pence four years ago.

To me, I can understand going, I'm going to win.

And if you believe what's written in those books, like Tapper's book, it's in there, I think, and then...

There's just a couple of other anecdotes that exist that they were closing really strong, that they found themselves like way, way back a couple months before the election and they were closing so strong.

And sometimes the candidate with the higher favorables is the one who converts the most.

And I think people don't understand, like, it's unusual for candidates

Kamala Harris to have been the candidate that people liked personally more, but choose to pull the lever for Donald Trump in that election.

And again, 180,000 votes, three states.

It's very close.

But I can see her just believing that.

I mean, the same thing happened to Mitt Romney, too.

I mean, that race was closer than people remember it being.

And Romney believed that he was going to win.

And you always get kind of insulated.

Like, you're out there doing the campaign.