Mike Osterholm

at government levels around the world, but particularly the United States, to support this kind of vaccine research.

And just as you said very nicely, there is a lot of potential exciting new opportunities with these vaccines.

We just have to invest in them.

What a small, small insurance policy.

Yeah, and you know, you've commented on this and very nicely on other alternative vaccine approaches, live attenuated vaccines, et cetera.

We should be doing everything we can.

And it's also for seasonal viruses.

You know, I mean, the terms of the influenza, you know, influenza killed 256 kids in this country this last season.

256 kids died from influenza.

You know, there is so much more that we can do if we just had this investment in this area.

Well, first of all, you laid it out so well, I wouldn't dare want to touch it because you actually did a better job than I could.

But let me just add, in the Trump one administration and in the Biden administration,

there was a very real presence of preparedness in the White House and the offices that were there.

And for example, Dr. Paul Friedrichs, who headed this up during the Biden administration, had a staff

a number of people, and they every day were on top of biopreparedness.

They were trying to deal with it.

Do you know that there's nobody now employed at the White House from the Security Council that has any expertise in this area?

None.

Zero zip.

Incredible.