Mike Osterholm

And how many times did we stop outbreaks of certain disease?

Okay.

I got it.

Sorry, I lost you there.

So the point, though, is that we are in much worse shape, and I don't know what it's going to take.

But we have got to understand that it is clearly, clearly a major decision by society.

Are we going to accept this or not?

You know, Eric, I have been, I'll say, affected by my kids in the following way.

Several years ago, they bought me an electronic picture frame.

that sits on my desk.

And every 30 seconds, a new picture of one of my grandkids flashes up there, singly or in combination.

And every meeting I'm in, everything I do, I can't help but keep looking from time to time at that electronic picture frame.

And it gives me every motivation to keep going.

You know, what is it that we're leaving our kids and grandkids?

And so am I optimistic?

Well, I guess I wouldn't keep doing this if I didn't think we could make a difference.

On the other hand, do I realize the challenge?

Yes, but that challenge is worth it if you're thinking about, you know, not me.

You know, I'm an old guy.

Yeah, well, I'll be gone soon, okay?