Mike Pesca

Maybe you listen to Pod Save America, right?

Which is all a bunch of former Obama guys.

And it's newsy.

They're telling you nonfiction.

But that's not a news show.

It seems newsy.

I'm not saying they're lying to you.

They're not presenting as something else.

But you're like, oh, I listen to a lot of news.

I listen to Pod Save America.

That's not news.

Those are Democratic operatives trying to get a Democratic result, trying to give you good news, probably a little self-deluded themselves.

And it's a lot different from the ideal of Walter Cronkite.

Yeah, I do think democracy holds.

I do think it will be tested.

And the clearest indication of this is it happened from 2017 through 2020 and it held.

Now, I know all the arguments.

Oh, there are no guardrails.

Well, we've seen who Trump is picking and there are some head scratchers and there are some, I think, pleasant surprises with, say, Marco Rubio seems of the people to be secretary of state seems like a fair enough pick for Donald Trump.

So, it is true that you could look at all societies and all of them, all the big ones from the Romans to the Ottomans have crumbled, but it's also not true that if you were living inside those societies, you'd get it right the moment that it does crumble.