Mike Ritland

So, well, he, God, yeah. I need a refresher on this, but basically he had gotten the attention of the FBI, and they were hunting him down for getting into various places. A lot of social engineering tricks and stuff like that. And kind of a cat and mouse game. There's a movie called Takedown, right? So good movie. Check it out. But he went to prison then. and was pretty unfairly treated.

There was a whole free Kevin movement where they were doing, I think they put him in solitary or something because they thought he could whistle into the phones and launch ICBMs or some shit like that. Oh my gosh. This is like back when everybody was like, oh my God, hackers, just evil wizards. It's still like that today, but it was much worse back then. They had no idea what was even possible.

There was a whole free Kevin movement where they were doing, I think they put him in solitary or something because they thought he could whistle into the phones and launch ICBMs or some shit like that. Oh my gosh. This is like back when everybody was like, oh my God, hackers, just evil wizards. It's still like that today, but it was much worse back then. They had no idea what was even possible.

There was a whole free Kevin movement where they were doing, I think they put him in solitary or something because they thought he could whistle into the phones and launch ICBMs or some shit like that. Oh my gosh. This is like back when everybody was like, oh my God, hackers, just evil wizards. It's still like that today, but it was much worse back then. They had no idea what was even possible.

So yeah, he was held for much longer. I don't want to misspeak here because I don't remember the particulars, but he was held for a very long time, pretty unfairly, eventually got out, and then went into InfoSec as a profession using that.

So yeah, he was held for much longer. I don't want to misspeak here because I don't remember the particulars, but he was held for a very long time, pretty unfairly, eventually got out, and then went into InfoSec as a profession using that.

So yeah, he was held for much longer. I don't want to misspeak here because I don't remember the particulars, but he was held for a very long time, pretty unfairly, eventually got out, and then went into InfoSec as a profession using that.

I mean, I guess he knew it looked good, so he's good at that.

I mean, I guess he knew it looked good, so he's good at that.

I mean, I guess he knew it looked good, so he's good at that.

Oh, yeah, definitely. And just for the record, he got a pretty unfair shake at life. I think he got pancreatic cancer, and he died before his first kid was born, which is just fucking terrible. Man, that's horrible. I've since met up with his wife and cleared the air. Good for you. We're good.

Oh, yeah, definitely. And just for the record, he got a pretty unfair shake at life. I think he got pancreatic cancer, and he died before his first kid was born, which is just fucking terrible. Man, that's horrible. I've since met up with his wife and cleared the air. Good for you. We're good.

Oh, yeah, definitely. And just for the record, he got a pretty unfair shake at life. I think he got pancreatic cancer, and he died before his first kid was born, which is just fucking terrible. Man, that's horrible. I've since met up with his wife and cleared the air. Good for you. We're good.

Yeah, definitely. It depends where we're talking about red teaming, because there's military red teaming, which I would love for you to give me a couple of stories on. I'm sitting in a room with a guy who probably knows that really well, way more than me, so it would be a little ridiculous for me to explain that to you.

Yeah, definitely. It depends where we're talking about red teaming, because there's military red teaming, which I would love for you to give me a couple of stories on. I'm sitting in a room with a guy who probably knows that really well, way more than me, so it would be a little ridiculous for me to explain that to you.

Yeah, definitely. It depends where we're talking about red teaming, because there's military red teaming, which I would love for you to give me a couple of stories on. I'm sitting in a room with a guy who probably knows that really well, way more than me, so it would be a little ridiculous for me to explain that to you.

But red teaming in terms of corporate cybersecurity is a subset of pen testing. Pen testing is find the holes. tell us the holes, right? I mean, that's cool, but it doesn't quite test how someone responds. I think there's this, I think it's a Mike Tyson quote, where everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face, right? It's like, okay, well,

But red teaming in terms of corporate cybersecurity is a subset of pen testing. Pen testing is find the holes. tell us the holes, right? I mean, that's cool, but it doesn't quite test how someone responds. I think there's this, I think it's a Mike Tyson quote, where everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face, right? It's like, okay, well,

But red teaming in terms of corporate cybersecurity is a subset of pen testing. Pen testing is find the holes. tell us the holes, right? I mean, that's cool, but it doesn't quite test how someone responds. I think there's this, I think it's a Mike Tyson quote, where everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face, right? It's like, okay, well,

maybe a little aggressive in context of cybersecurity, but, you know, how do you solve that? Like in boxing, you train, you get punched in the face, right? And then, well, okay, now it's not going to be new when it happens. So you might have a plan, but are you going to execute on the plan? Are you going to, like, miss some steps? Is motion going to get involved? And also, you know, I can...