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Mike Ritland

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2565 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Uh-huh, so you're watching that. And then, pop, the drive blows up, confetti goes everywhere. And I'm like, yeah, that was cool. I just viewed that as fun.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Uh-huh, so you're watching that. And then, pop, the drive blows up, confetti goes everywhere. And I'm like, yeah, that was cool. I just viewed that as fun.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Uh-huh, so you're watching that. And then, pop, the drive blows up, confetti goes everywhere. And I'm like, yeah, that was cool. I just viewed that as fun.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Another type of art or something like that. Put it out on the internet and it was like, that's crazy. A lot of people asked me to sell that. Now, no, that's a terrible idea for so many reasons, liability, et cetera. Um, When you put something into the world that can be used negatively, it's always worth gaming out. Like, how bad can it go and can you prevent some of it?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Another type of art or something like that. Put it out on the internet and it was like, that's crazy. A lot of people asked me to sell that. Now, no, that's a terrible idea for so many reasons, liability, et cetera. Um, When you put something into the world that can be used negatively, it's always worth gaming out. Like, how bad can it go and can you prevent some of it?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Another type of art or something like that. Put it out on the internet and it was like, that's crazy. A lot of people asked me to sell that. Now, no, that's a terrible idea for so many reasons, liability, et cetera. Um, When you put something into the world that can be used negatively, it's always worth gaming out. Like, how bad can it go and can you prevent some of it?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Which I've done a lot with the cable. But in this case, it was just something I wanted to put out there. But at that point, I had a really tiny ducky, right, that I could โ€“ Maybe I could put it in other things. And eventually I got the idea, probably like doing my IT job, looking on Amazon for spare parts for hardware and stuff. I noticed there were like USB cable repair ends and boots.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Which I've done a lot with the cable. But in this case, it was just something I wanted to put out there. But at that point, I had a really tiny ducky, right, that I could โ€“ Maybe I could put it in other things. And eventually I got the idea, probably like doing my IT job, looking on Amazon for spare parts for hardware and stuff. I noticed there were like USB cable repair ends and boots.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Which I've done a lot with the cable. But in this case, it was just something I wanted to put out there. But at that point, I had a really tiny ducky, right, that I could โ€“ Maybe I could put it in other things. And eventually I got the idea, probably like doing my IT job, looking on Amazon for spare parts for hardware and stuff. I noticed there were like USB cable repair ends and boots.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I'm like, wait, what? You can just get those? You know, at the time I didn't know much about manufacturing, right? Got some of those and realized there was enough space in them for the cables and this really tiny, you know, fake ducky, right? Shove it in there and I get the very first proof of concept of a malicious USB cable. Yeah, put that out.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I'm like, wait, what? You can just get those? You know, at the time I didn't know much about manufacturing, right? Got some of those and realized there was enough space in them for the cables and this really tiny, you know, fake ducky, right? Shove it in there and I get the very first proof of concept of a malicious USB cable. Yeah, put that out.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I'm like, wait, what? You can just get those? You know, at the time I didn't know much about manufacturing, right? Got some of those and realized there was enough space in them for the cables and this really tiny, you know, fake ducky, right? Shove it in there and I get the very first proof of concept of a malicious USB cable. Yeah, put that out.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And, you know, I already told the story about that one where, you know, it gets out there and a lot of people like it and a lot of people wanted it. I think almost a year goes by before I'm like, you know what? I could make that way better. Like, that was a toy. Like, this is like a cool gimmick to show like a very basic prank. Barely even worked for that. What would a proper tool look like? Yeah.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And, you know, I already told the story about that one where, you know, it gets out there and a lot of people like it and a lot of people wanted it. I think almost a year goes by before I'm like, you know what? I could make that way better. Like, that was a toy. Like, this is like a cool gimmick to show like a very basic prank. Barely even worked for that. What would a proper tool look like? Yeah.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And, you know, I already told the story about that one where, you know, it gets out there and a lot of people like it and a lot of people wanted it. I think almost a year goes by before I'm like, you know what? I could make that way better. Like, that was a toy. Like, this is like a cool gimmick to show like a very basic prank. Barely even worked for that. What would a proper tool look like? Yeah.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I was getting way more into the concept of I want to do red teaming as well, so I'm combining those things. And yeah, I was like, okay, I need Wi-Fi, I need remote control to update payloads after it's already in play. Because the idea is you can either deploy a cable, like physically get in sight, or... you could just leave it in somebody's bag, just leave it around.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I was getting way more into the concept of I want to do red teaming as well, so I'm combining those things. And yeah, I was like, okay, I need Wi-Fi, I need remote control to update payloads after it's already in play. Because the idea is you can either deploy a cable, like physically get in sight, or... you could just leave it in somebody's bag, just leave it around.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I was getting way more into the concept of I want to do red teaming as well, so I'm combining those things. And yeah, I was like, okay, I need Wi-Fi, I need remote control to update payloads after it's already in play. Because the idea is you can either deploy a cable, like physically get in sight, or... you could just leave it in somebody's bag, just leave it around.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And eventually, you know, people are going to take a cable sometimes and they'll bring it in with them to the secure space. Like, cool, I didn't have to even go in. Great. which creates some interesting legal problems, which we can get into that I've also solved. But yeah, that kind of is just how it kept evolving. And then at that point, it's like, okay, this is a real tool.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And eventually, you know, people are going to take a cable sometimes and they'll bring it in with them to the secure space. Like, cool, I didn't have to even go in. Great. which creates some interesting legal problems, which we can get into that I've also solved. But yeah, that kind of is just how it kept evolving. And then at that point, it's like, okay, this is a real tool.