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Mike Ritland

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2565 total appearances

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And eventually, you know, people are going to take a cable sometimes and they'll bring it in with them to the secure space. Like, cool, I didn't have to even go in. Great. which creates some interesting legal problems, which we can get into that I've also solved. But yeah, that kind of is just how it kept evolving. And then at that point, it's like, okay, this is a real tool.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

At the time, I was thinking I should do this in a way that I just make it open source and everyone could make their own. Are we still talking about the USB? Yeah, USB cable.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

At the time, I was thinking I should do this in a way that I just make it open source and everyone could make their own. Are we still talking about the USB? Yeah, USB cable.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

At the time, I was thinking I should do this in a way that I just make it open source and everyone could make their own. Are we still talking about the USB? Yeah, USB cable.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And that's, I thought about that, right? Like I was prototyping this cable, this new one, like on a desktop mill for cutting PCBs, right? Like I was pushing the limits on this machine where you can mill a PCB. So the PCB, actually, I got a little problem with this. So a PCB, like here's a complete product. This is a Raspberry Pi, right? When I say PCB, I'm talking about just the green part here.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And that's, I thought about that, right? Like I was prototyping this cable, this new one, like on a desktop mill for cutting PCBs, right? Like I was pushing the limits on this machine where you can mill a PCB. So the PCB, actually, I got a little problem with this. So a PCB, like here's a complete product. This is a Raspberry Pi, right? When I say PCB, I'm talking about just the green part here.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And that's, I thought about that, right? Like I was prototyping this cable, this new one, like on a desktop mill for cutting PCBs, right? Like I was pushing the limits on this machine where you can mill a PCB. So the PCB, actually, I got a little problem with this. So a PCB, like here's a complete product. This is a Raspberry Pi, right? When I say PCB, I'm talking about just the green part here.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

That's just, it's basically a fiberglass and epoxy with a thin layer of copper on it that gets turned into traces and that connects all of these components. The black thing there, that's a component. And all the little things you see on there, they're soldered on. That's components with copper traces connecting them together electrically. So I used a mill to kind of cut out the copper traces.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

That's just, it's basically a fiberglass and epoxy with a thin layer of copper on it that gets turned into traces and that connects all of these components. The black thing there, that's a component. And all the little things you see on there, they're soldered on. That's components with copper traces connecting them together electrically. So I used a mill to kind of cut out the copper traces.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

That's just, it's basically a fiberglass and epoxy with a thin layer of copper on it that gets turned into traces and that connects all of these components. The black thing there, that's a component. And all the little things you see on there, they're soldered on. That's components with copper traces connecting them together electrically. So I used a mill to kind of cut out the copper traces.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And I would assemble in my garage lots of different test versions of what this cable could look like. And I got the idea, kind of going back to the defense distributed concept, where, oh, open source is this. People can make it on a desktop mill, go that direction. What I learned over the 12 months of revising and revising is it's really hard to do this. Like, DIY was just not in the cards.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And I would assemble in my garage lots of different test versions of what this cable could look like. And I got the idea, kind of going back to the defense distributed concept, where, oh, open source is this. People can make it on a desktop mill, go that direction. What I learned over the 12 months of revising and revising is it's really hard to do this. Like, DIY was just not in the cards.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

And I would assemble in my garage lots of different test versions of what this cable could look like. And I got the idea, kind of going back to the defense distributed concept, where, oh, open source is this. People can make it on a desktop mill, go that direction. What I learned over the 12 months of revising and revising is it's really hard to do this. Like, DIY was just not in the cards.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Nobody was going to be able to do this. I'm like, okay, well, let's throw out the DIY. I can just turn up the complexity. There's PCBs

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Nobody was going to be able to do this. I'm like, okay, well, let's throw out the DIY. I can just turn up the complexity. There's PCBs

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Nobody was going to be able to do this. I'm like, okay, well, let's throw out the DIY. I can just turn up the complexity. There's PCBs

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

with two layers like copper on each side right that's the common one those are i can make those in my garage but okay what if i want eight layers or something like that that like that gets really expensive we're talking every time i want to do a run of an eight layer pcb six layer pcb is a minimum of thousand dollars okay like i i have to send that off to a factory they're using lasers and all kinds of crazy x-ray inspection stuff to do this so i'm like okay if i can use that

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

with two layers like copper on each side right that's the common one those are i can make those in my garage but okay what if i want eight layers or something like that that like that gets really expensive we're talking every time i want to do a run of an eight layer pcb six layer pcb is a minimum of thousand dollars okay like i i have to send that off to a factory they're using lasers and all kinds of crazy x-ray inspection stuff to do this so i'm like okay if i can use that

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

with two layers like copper on each side right that's the common one those are i can make those in my garage but okay what if i want eight layers or something like that that like that gets really expensive we're talking every time i want to do a run of an eight layer pcb six layer pcb is a minimum of thousand dollars okay like i i have to send that off to a factory they're using lasers and all kinds of crazy x-ray inspection stuff to do this so i'm like okay if i can use that

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

How far can I go? And that kind of is how I evolved into making a more and more and more complex cable that is like the latest generation OMG cable. It does all of these different things. And yeah.