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Mikey Shulman

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471 total appearances

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Oh boy. I'm always thinking about like the UI should just in no way resemble what it does today. But I think good UI is just like, what did you enable that is completely not doable in the old pattern? In thinking like that, this would be, what could I not do in a digital audio workstation? It wouldn't be really easy for me to like take a whole song and cover it in a different genre.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Oh boy. I'm always thinking about like the UI should just in no way resemble what it does today. But I think good UI is just like, what did you enable that is completely not doable in the old pattern? In thinking like that, this would be, what could I not do in a digital audio workstation? It wouldn't be really easy for me to like take a whole song and cover it in a different genre.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Oh boy. I'm always thinking about like the UI should just in no way resemble what it does today. But I think good UI is just like, what did you enable that is completely not doable in the old pattern? In thinking like that, this would be, what could I not do in a digital audio workstation? It wouldn't be really easy for me to like take a whole song and cover it in a different genre.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

But like, if I think about like, oh, that is actually something somebody might want to do. Let me think about that as a first class citizen workflow and let me build that. And that could be a really simple UI, a really beautiful UI, a really intuitive UI, but it's also just totally different.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

But like, if I think about like, oh, that is actually something somebody might want to do. Let me think about that as a first class citizen workflow and let me build that. And that could be a really simple UI, a really beautiful UI, a really intuitive UI, but it's also just totally different.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

But like, if I think about like, oh, that is actually something somebody might want to do. Let me think about that as a first class citizen workflow and let me build that. And that could be a really simple UI, a really beautiful UI, a really intuitive UI, but it's also just totally different.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Let me preface it with OpenAI, ChatGPT is amazing. They did every AI company a huge disservice because everybody thinks that just like empty text box is now the right interface. And it is for ChatGPT and it is incorrect for basically everything else. I hate to be this guy. I'm going to reject the premise.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Let me preface it with OpenAI, ChatGPT is amazing. They did every AI company a huge disservice because everybody thinks that just like empty text box is now the right interface. And it is for ChatGPT and it is incorrect for basically everything else. I hate to be this guy. I'm going to reject the premise.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Let me preface it with OpenAI, ChatGPT is amazing. They did every AI company a huge disservice because everybody thinks that just like empty text box is now the right interface. And it is for ChatGPT and it is incorrect for basically everything else. I hate to be this guy. I'm going to reject the premise.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I hope that, you know, in six months from now or 12 months from now, we're not using the word prompt. There are just far more intuitive ways to interact with the music. And we shouldn't be guiding you. We should be listening to you.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I hope that, you know, in six months from now or 12 months from now, we're not using the word prompt. There are just far more intuitive ways to interact with the music. And we shouldn't be guiding you. We should be listening to you.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I hope that, you know, in six months from now or 12 months from now, we're not using the word prompt. There are just far more intuitive ways to interact with the music. And we shouldn't be guiding you. We should be listening to you.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I really hope that's not true. Somehow, this would be a huge missed opportunity if we are caring about the inputs and not the outputs. Shouldn't you measure it by the quality of the music or the quality of whatever it is that they're doing, right? Maybe if it took a really complicated prompt, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I really hope that's not true. Somehow, this would be a huge missed opportunity if we are caring about the inputs and not the outputs. Shouldn't you measure it by the quality of the music or the quality of whatever it is that they're doing, right? Maybe if it took a really complicated prompt, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I really hope that's not true. Somehow, this would be a huge missed opportunity if we are caring about the inputs and not the outputs. Shouldn't you measure it by the quality of the music or the quality of whatever it is that they're doing, right? Maybe if it took a really complicated prompt, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Well, if it took a really complicated prompt and 1,600 iterations, that's a failure of my product, not a failure of the candidate.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Well, if it took a really complicated prompt and 1,600 iterations, that's a failure of my product, not a failure of the candidate.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Well, if it took a really complicated prompt and 1,600 iterations, that's a failure of my product, not a failure of the candidate.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

There's a part of me that wants to say, allow remote work. That's like a spicy one. The thing is, it's not spicy.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

There's a part of me that wants to say, allow remote work. That's like a spicy one. The thing is, it's not spicy.