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Mikey Shulman

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471 total appearances

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I think people in the existing industry will say like, we know it's coming. And they say this, I think they don't want to sound like decels. They don't want to sound like hermits, right? And people in the AI community will say it. And because it's like a security blanket, it's like, oh, don't worry. I'm not coming to disrupt you, but we know it's coming anyway.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I think people in the existing industry will say like, we know it's coming. And they say this, I think they don't want to sound like decels. They don't want to sound like hermits, right? And people in the AI community will say it. And because it's like a security blanket, it's like, oh, don't worry. I'm not coming to disrupt you, but we know it's coming anyway.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I think people in the existing industry will say like, we know it's coming. And they say this, I think they don't want to sound like decels. They don't want to sound like hermits, right? And people in the AI community will say it. And because it's like a security blanket, it's like, oh, don't worry. I'm not coming to disrupt you, but we know it's coming anyway.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I think in both cases, this is a really bad thing to say, because in both cases, on both sides, this is basically just putting your hands up and being like, it's coming. I don't even have to do anything about it. We can build a good future of music with AI and we can build a bad future of music with AI or we can sit back and let someone else do it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I think in both cases, this is a really bad thing to say, because in both cases, on both sides, this is basically just putting your hands up and being like, it's coming. I don't even have to do anything about it. We can build a good future of music with AI and we can build a bad future of music with AI or we can sit back and let someone else do it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I think in both cases, this is a really bad thing to say, because in both cases, on both sides, this is basically just putting your hands up and being like, it's coming. I don't even have to do anything about it. We can build a good future of music with AI and we can build a bad future of music with AI or we can sit back and let someone else do it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I'm quite energized by the fact that like I think we have.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I'm quite energized by the fact that like I think we have.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And I'm quite energized by the fact that like I think we have.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

What that person would do in that case is say, yes, AI is an important part of the creation stack right now and not try to address the like, well, what about all the other people who want to create with these new tools also? It applies just as much to me as it does to the CEO of the Universal Music Group of like, we can actively build a bigger, better future of music with AI.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

What that person would do in that case is say, yes, AI is an important part of the creation stack right now and not try to address the like, well, what about all the other people who want to create with these new tools also? It applies just as much to me as it does to the CEO of the Universal Music Group of like, we can actively build a bigger, better future of music with AI.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

What that person would do in that case is say, yes, AI is an important part of the creation stack right now and not try to address the like, well, what about all the other people who want to create with these new tools also? It applies just as much to me as it does to the CEO of the Universal Music Group of like, we can actively build a bigger, better future of music with AI.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Or we can just wait and someone else in another country, not bound by US laws, not with the same intentions, will build the worst future of music with AI. And I can think of lots of dystopian futures.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Or we can just wait and someone else in another country, not bound by US laws, not with the same intentions, will build the worst future of music with AI. And I can think of lots of dystopian futures.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Or we can just wait and someone else in another country, not bound by US laws, not with the same intentions, will build the worst future of music with AI. And I can think of lots of dystopian futures.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Two particularly bad ones. One would be like a group in another country that doesn't want to follow the laws will make it so that you can, without permission, impersonate your favorite artist and just make endless copies, you know, endless Ariana Grande songs, like you said, without giving a cent to Ariana Grande. That would not be great.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Two particularly bad ones. One would be like a group in another country that doesn't want to follow the laws will make it so that you can, without permission, impersonate your favorite artist and just make endless copies, you know, endless Ariana Grande songs, like you said, without giving a cent to Ariana Grande. That would not be great.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Two particularly bad ones. One would be like a group in another country that doesn't want to follow the laws will make it so that you can, without permission, impersonate your favorite artist and just make endless copies, you know, endless Ariana Grande songs, like you said, without giving a cent to Ariana Grande. That would not be great.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. You saw this with the Drake Weekend Ghostwriter thing. It's like, and it'll be good and it'll just get better and easier. That's not a good future. There's another bad future, I think, though, which is like, Music is meant to be social, but there's like a local optimum, I think, where music gets less social and it gets way too hyper-personalized.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. You saw this with the Drake Weekend Ghostwriter thing. It's like, and it'll be good and it'll just get better and easier. That's not a good future. There's another bad future, I think, though, which is like, Music is meant to be social, but there's like a local optimum, I think, where music gets less social and it gets way too hyper-personalized.