Miranda Sawyer

We all think we've got amazing ears.

But there's something random about pop music.

You don't know what's going to hit.

You might get really enthused about a band that nobody else likes.

You can't always get it right.

And actually with A&R, you know, at a certain point you lay out the stats and it's like one in 10,000 is going to make it, you know.

When were you writing it?

On the comedown?

Yeah, you don't want to do it now.

But I mean, you will work... So London Records, when you were working there, obviously they did like Bananarama, East 17th, All Saints, Finding Uncannable, you know, like, you know, really kind of amazing pop hits.

But the reason...

why you kind of like got your break at A&R was actually you signed a really big pop hit, which was Mike Flowers Pop.

So what happened?

But you had signed it, and they were decent enough to say, yep, we're going with you.

Because sometimes like in the book, you know, like you could say to Mike Flowers Pops or whoever, would you like to sign with me?

And they go, yes, cheers.

You shake hands.

And then somebody else comes in with more money and they go, actually, I'm really sorry.

You seem like a nice guy, but I'm going somewhere else.

It's amazing.