Mo Gawdat

But you're not damned if you build things for the people, not for the capitalist.

This is an ideological debate.

I share this with you.

And my point of view is that to summarize your challenge here, you're basically saying that it's easier to become successful if you don't follow ethical rules.

No.

It won't?

But that's the problem humanity needs to solve if we were to survive.

Example, I worked in a company called Google that basically at a point in time decided that ads will be effective.

The ad industry prior to Google was 50% of your ad budget doesn't work.

We just don't know which 50%.

Remember that?

And Google came in and struggled from 1998 until 2004 when they started to turn plausible revenues as a result of saying, we're going to run a Dutch auction and we're going to give you pay-per-click and we're going to show you results for your ads.

They found a way for ethics...

to actually get your money to be effective rather than just take your money and say 50% doesn't work.

They found a way to make that their success criteria.

There must be a way for us.

I don't know what it is.

If I knew I would be building it instead of sitting with you, right?

But there must be a way for us to marry the success of humanity with the success of the entrepreneur, right?

And that way is not found in the old ways of doing things.