Mohammad Jaber

Haren Group has many verticals.

They have the SAL Heavy Lift, Intermarine.

Now they're rebranded.

Now it's SAL Heavy Lift, now SAL Intermarine, SAL Engineering.

They have the crewing, the assets management and the projects.

So we are a part of this group as the forwarding business unit.

But we are totally focused on our own business plan.

And we drive our business based on the market dynamics.

be able to go to the group to ask for their help, whatever needed, but in arm's length, as per market dynamics.

As well, we are dealing with all the carriers and all the other players in the market, as specifically the companies that run the group ships are totally independent and totally neutral.

And it was a funny story, like they were supporting us and another company, and a tender, and we lost.

And the other competitor, actually, he was, he done a very nice combination of cargo, which make his freight ton cheaper, and he won the business.

And I congratulate them because they done a good job.

But this is how they are independent, which is something really nice for us and for the market.

Actually, when I was in a meeting, CombiLift wasn't in their top 10 customers.

We are just growing, right?

We are approaching them as a supplier.

They are registered in our system as a supplier, and we are registered in their system as a customer.

So it's based on market dynamics.

They are totally neutral.