Molly Webster

Right.

And so if you're this older female chimp and you're looking around, maybe there are like new young females that have just joined your family.

Oh.

So it's like Garbo and other older female chimps can contribute to the group and get a benefit themselves just by bowing out and doing their own thing.

Right.

That's cool.

Yeah, that makes sense, right?

Good theory.

Good theory.

Why, why, why?

Well, apparently, so this gets kind of like mathy and nitpicky, but Kevin says that the benefits of these older females bowing out, they like don't quite make up for the fact that they're like living these long, luxurious post-reproductive lives, like painting their nails and eating monkey meat.

So it's like maybe it doesn't quite work.

Damn it.

So is Kevin about to swoop in and be like, I've got my own hypothesis?

There's like not a grand universal theory of post-reproductive females.

Okay.

And it's still just like a real open question of why we or orcas or chimps live this long post-reproductive life.

Right.

I mean, honestly, there's a part of me that's like, thank God, because if we had actually found an answer, it would have felt so prescriptive.

I don't know.