Monica Lewinsky

You are one.

I mean, your story is both universal, as Courtney mentioned, and it's also archetypal.

You have a singular story that we all grew up on as sort of like, look at what can happen to you.

Right.

Yeah.

And many, I'm sure, many people.

People, including myself, there's some like schadenfreude or like, oh, look what she did, right?

That happens all the time sort of in the culture where we celebrate people until we decide they've had enough, women in particular, and then we need to put them in their place.

Tall poppy syndrome is another name for it, but you see it everywhere.

It's just invariably... I think Taylor Swift is one.

I know people have tried to take her down, but her army protects her.

So as a woman, to be really public, you need an army, literally, of fans who will cut you and dox you if you go for her.

But when I think about...

your story which echoes so many other people's stories in um smaller ways it's that's it right there's no real infraction not no infraction well that's well i i wouldn't say there's no infraction you know i think in terms of um you know like being involved with someone that you know is married now it happens all the time yeah um

But I think it's engaging in a behavior that can cause other people pain.

Sure.

We can drama triangle it and you can play the victim and you can play the villain.

Right.

Sure.

Yes.