Monica Lewinsky

What I'm recognizing in you that I've experienced too, and other people that I know who've gone through different kinds of traumas, whether they're public or not, is there's something about the weight of experience that in order to survive it,

you have to become so introspective.

Yes.

And you have to... Do a lot of digging.

And that's what I hear in the story you just told me.

And that it's...

because I've seen it with myself too, of these moments where you're actually being generous.

You're being generous to this person.

They have these negative things and there's like a feeling of needing to be magnanimous.

And in some ways it's great for all the reasons you just said.

But it also, it makes me sad for you because it comes from

No, but it's not people pleasing.

It's...

I don't know if this will make sense.

So I think that, for me, it was like there are not a lot of fallen women who get to reclaim their narrative.

Yeah.

And so I felt like, and being publicly shamed on a global stage in the digital age, right?

Plenty of people have been publicly shamed throughout history.

Yeah, exactly.

And so...