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Mustafa Suleyman

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The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

It's a trick.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

And that is just very important to remember as we try to make sense of these things and relate to them.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

Because if you forget that, it can be very, very easy to get caught up in the narrative or the illusion, or as some have said, the psychosis of believing that these things are actually real when they're not.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

Yeah.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

Before I joined Microsoft 18 months ago, I started a company with my friend Reid Hoffman called Inflection AI.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

We made an AI called PI, which stands for personal intelligence.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

This is about three or four years ago now.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

And it was the first AI to be really good at smooth, natural conversation, had a good emotional intelligence, and it was designed to be kind and supportive.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

And we could see very early on that this use case of companionship, support, advice, life coach, some would call it therapy, but it's not really therapy.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

It's just basic kindness and being listened to.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

That is a huge, huge use case.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

And I think it's a massively beneficial thing for the world.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

So I'm in no way against those capabilities.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

I just see that if they run away from us and we, you know, really kind of mishandle them, then they present other kinds of risks.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

And that's what I'm trying to raise with the Seemingly Conscious AI blog.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

Well, first we have to call it out and try to define what we think consciousness is.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

So maybe let me just start there.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

So consciousness is one of the slippery concepts in philosophy.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

It's hard to apply empiricism and science to it because it's fundamentally subjective.

The Neuron: AI Explained
Mustafa Suleyman on Seemingly Conscious AI and Microsoft's Next Chapter

So even though you can reassure me that you're conscious and you can say all the right things and you can look into my eyes and you can give me that instinct that you're conscious, I fundamentally have to rely on a faith-based assessment to trust your experience of yourself.