Mustafa Suleyman

So that's the world that we're moving to.

And we have to adapt to a moment where it's possible to get anything done.

Now, the tools themselves work.

It's not quite the same as, you know, the invention of the laptop or the mobile phone, where you can say, well, the laptop is used for all these good things and is clearly used for horrific things all over the world as well.

And so the tool is just completely neutral.

And that's why I kind of draw people back to that four,

you know, sort of paradigm frame.

This is a new class of hyperobject.

It's not a tool, it's not a human, it's not the natural environment.

This is a fourth class of kind of being, because it is basically unquestionably staggering that it can autonomously log into your home system and get your security camera details.

And I've, you know, loads of us are playing with this, obviously, in the last few weeks.

It's pretty awesome.

I mean, it's wild to see.

And so the only way to address that is to be experimental with it and use it, to be very honest and direct about the ways in which it can go wrong, to share those publicly.

I think we have a great history in the security industry of public disclosure of, you know, zero days and other bugs in a timely way.

And that has been actually very

successful over the last 30 or 40 years of the internet in keeping us relatively stable but it doesn't work if it's industry led alone or if it's like activist open source led alone government's got to get its act into gear and the way that it has to do that is that it has to confront the reality is that you're never going to get high quality civil service

if you pay them a fraction of what you can get in the open labor market.

The truth is individuals are incentivized to move around freely from one place to another.

And if you have an open labor market, then naturally talent is going to concentrate.