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to understand happiness and to pursue it properly means that it has to be defined correctly. You have to know what it is and what it isn't. And it isn't, for example, in Arthur Brooks' conceptualization, reducible to instantaneous hedonistic gratification in the moment, right? And so one of the things we talked about was the distinction between pleasure and enjoyment. And

to understand happiness and to pursue it properly means that it has to be defined correctly. You have to know what it is and what it isn't. And it isn't, for example, in Arthur Brooks' conceptualization, reducible to instantaneous hedonistic gratification in the moment, right? And so one of the things we talked about was the distinction between pleasure and enjoyment. And

to understand happiness and to pursue it properly means that it has to be defined correctly. You have to know what it is and what it isn't. And it isn't, for example, in Arthur Brooks' conceptualization, reducible to instantaneous hedonistic gratification in the moment, right? And so one of the things we talked about was the distinction between pleasure and enjoyment. And

Well, understanding that in this introduction gives you a flavor of the conversation. So pleasure could be reduced to something like immediate hedonistic gratification in the moment. Now, the problem with that, a problem with that, for example, is that psychopaths can be pleasure-seeking.

Well, understanding that in this introduction gives you a flavor of the conversation. So pleasure could be reduced to something like immediate hedonistic gratification in the moment. Now, the problem with that, a problem with that, for example, is that psychopaths can be pleasure-seeking.

Well, understanding that in this introduction gives you a flavor of the conversation. So pleasure could be reduced to something like immediate hedonistic gratification in the moment. Now, the problem with that, a problem with that, for example, is that psychopaths can be pleasure-seeking.

And if pleasure is regarded as a good in and of itself, then psychopathic pleasure-seeking also becomes a good. And that's not tenable, not least tenable. Because psychopaths don't operate in their own best interest because they fail across time and they're terrible socially, familially, from a community perspective, they're devastating. And so pleasure itself has to be elevated or sanctified.

And if pleasure is regarded as a good in and of itself, then psychopathic pleasure-seeking also becomes a good. And that's not tenable, not least tenable. Because psychopaths don't operate in their own best interest because they fail across time and they're terrible socially, familially, from a community perspective, they're devastating. And so pleasure itself has to be elevated or sanctified.

And if pleasure is regarded as a good in and of itself, then psychopathic pleasure-seeking also becomes a good. And that's not tenable, not least tenable. Because psychopaths don't operate in their own best interest because they fail across time and they're terrible socially, familially, from a community perspective, they're devastating. And so pleasure itself has to be elevated or sanctified.

That's another way of thinking about it. And the terminology that Arthur uses for that is enjoyment. And enjoyment is the elevation of pleasure, let's say, to something that's iterable, reciprocal, social, future-oriented, permanent, and stable. So you could think about it as the gift that keeps on giving.

That's another way of thinking about it. And the terminology that Arthur uses for that is enjoyment. And enjoyment is the elevation of pleasure, let's say, to something that's iterable, reciprocal, social, future-oriented, permanent, and stable. So you could think about it as the gift that keeps on giving.

That's another way of thinking about it. And the terminology that Arthur uses for that is enjoyment. And enjoyment is the elevation of pleasure, let's say, to something that's iterable, reciprocal, social, future-oriented, permanent, and stable. So you could think about it as the gift that keeps on giving.

And that is something that's akin to, what would you say, a combination of wisdom and pleasure. So we talked about many elements of happiness other than that, but that gives you a flavor of the discussion and hopefully a reason to continue listening. So welcome aboard.

And that is something that's akin to, what would you say, a combination of wisdom and pleasure. So we talked about many elements of happiness other than that, but that gives you a flavor of the discussion and hopefully a reason to continue listening. So welcome aboard.

And that is something that's akin to, what would you say, a combination of wisdom and pleasure. So we talked about many elements of happiness other than that, but that gives you a flavor of the discussion and hopefully a reason to continue listening. So welcome aboard.

All right, Mr. Brooks, I think what we should start with likely is just a brief or lengthy, for that matter, walkthrough of, let's start with your publishing record. Give everybody a sense of what it is that you're doing and how that came about.

All right, Mr. Brooks, I think what we should start with likely is just a brief or lengthy, for that matter, walkthrough of, let's start with your publishing record. Give everybody a sense of what it is that you're doing and how that came about.

All right, Mr. Brooks, I think what we should start with likely is just a brief or lengthy, for that matter, walkthrough of, let's start with your publishing record. Give everybody a sense of what it is that you're doing and how that came about.

Your PhD is, what is the, what was the focus of your PhD?

Your PhD is, what is the, what was the focus of your PhD?