528. The Longevity of Happiness | Dr. Arthur Brooks
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Why would you settle for momentary pleasure when you could be walking in the eternal garden? Hello, everybody. I had the opportunity today to sit down and speak with Arthur Brooks. Now, I met Mr. Brooks several years ago when he was CEO of the American Enterprise Institute. And after that, he ended up serving as a professor of practice at the Kennedy School and at the business school at Harvard. And that's where he is currently. He has a very active public life as well. And it focuses on psychology, philosophy, neuroscience of happiness. And so we talked about that. That was the focus of our conversation. And part of that was a matter of definitional clarification, which is crucially important because
to understand happiness and to pursue it properly means that it has to be defined correctly. You have to know what it is and what it isn't. And it isn't, for example, in Arthur Brooks' conceptualization, reducible to instantaneous hedonistic gratification in the moment, right? And so one of the things we talked about was the distinction between pleasure and enjoyment. And Well, understanding that in this introduction gives you a flavor of the conversation. So pleasure could be reduced to something like immediate hedonistic gratification in the moment. Now, the problem with that, a problem with that, for example, is that psychopaths can be pleasure-seeking. And if pleasure is regarded as a good in and of itself, then psychopathic pleasure-seeking also becomes a good. And that's not tenable, not least tenable. Because psychopaths don't operate in their own best interest because they fail across time and they're terrible socially, familially, from a community perspective, they're devastating. And so pleasure itself has to be elevated or sanctified.
That's another way of thinking about it. And the terminology that Arthur uses for that is enjoyment. And enjoyment is the elevation of pleasure, let's say, to something that's iterable, reciprocal, social, future-oriented, permanent, and stable. So you could think about it as the gift that keeps on giving. And that is something that's akin to, what would you say, a combination of wisdom and pleasure. So we talked about many elements of happiness other than that, but that gives you a flavor of the discussion and hopefully a reason to continue listening. So welcome aboard. All right, Mr. Brooks, I think what we should start with likely is just a brief or lengthy, for that matter, walkthrough of, let's start with your publishing record. Give everybody a sense of what it is that you're doing and how that came about.
Thanks. And thanks for having me on the program. It's a pleasure. I'm delighted. And I write about human happiness. I'm a behavioral scientist by background. My PhD is largely, my work was dedicated to behavioral economics, but it moved much more toward the behavioral sciences and the psychological angle, and then later more toward neuroscience because everybody in the behavioral sciences now has to know a lot more neuroscience than they did when you and I were doing our PhDs. just because we recognize that psychology is biology much more than we did in, I guess, the old days, in the 80s and 90s. I came late to what I'm doing right now, however. I've only been writing about human happiness in the way that I am for the past five and a half years. since I've been a professor at Harvard. I've written two big books since I came to Harvard.
One called From Strength to Strength, Finding Success, Happiness, and Deep Purpose in the Second Half of Life for strivers who are trying to understand the move from their fluid to crystallized intelligence and why they feel like they're burning out in the middle of their careers, how they can actually get stronger and better and happier as they get older.
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